Very Noisey Rear Hub

[kazam401]

1996 3rd Gen Passenger side rear hub is making awfull squeaking/rubbing noises.

This started off being intermittent but is now constant.

Have had the rear drum off and wheels turning and is definately coming from the hub itself. There is no play in bearings when trying to wobble the wheels, this makes me worried as it is an LSD axle.

Anyone any ideas as to what to check bearings or whatever before taking it into the Toyo garage..............me thinks this is going to be costly

[marky]

its them crabbie patties LOL
have you cleaned the drums out as mud & water can get in when offroading.
i presume it has drums on the rear

[kazam401]

Had the drums off Marky but still hearing same noise, in drive with rear wheels up in air, had tube against rear axle to have a listen and it definately internal but only on passenger side, like I said can't wobble wheel so doubt it's the bearing.

I dont want to go about stripping it then finding out it's over my head mechanically, and I would rather not leave it in the hands of the local Toyo garage without having an idea what it is, otherwise I may need to re-mortgage the house.

[marky]

SELL THE KIDS LOL you havent submerged the rear diff as there was no deep water. the side of your surf making the noise is the side which was stuck in that ditch, it is possible that you damaged the bearing as you where being pulled out by the Tractor

[kazam401]

SELL THE KIDS LOL

It may come to that

It may have made it worse but the noise was there before Sunday, have checked the oil and no evidence of water.

Anyone any pointers when it comes to removing the rear hub?

[kazam401]

Anyone any pointers when it comes to removing the rear hub?

Any scanned info from a haynes will do for a start.........just so I can see whats involved...............please

[Gamedawn]

Sounds like you may have a bearing failing. You won't be able to wobble the wheel as you would with a front bearing because it's attached to a long heavy half shaft - you may be able to see a trace of oil as the seal fails. I had one collapse a couple of months ago and unless you have specialist equipment it's a job for a garage. Having said that I bought the bearings etc from Milner's, removed and replaced the shafts and just got a garage to change the bearing on the half shafts (that's the tricky bit) - depends how confident you're feeling.

[marky]

Had the drums off Marky but still hearing same noise, in drive with rear wheels up in air, had tube against rear axle to have a listen and it definately internal but only on passenger side, like I said can't wobble wheel so doubt it's the bearing.

I dont want to go about stripping it then finding out it's over my head mechanically, and I would rather not leave it in the hands of the local Toyo garage without having an idea what it is, otherwise I may need to re-mortgage the house.

Have you tried it like this with the wheels & drums off ??? place a long screw driver near the bearings against your ear and move towards the diff try and source the noise

[Gamedawn]

Looks like this

[kazam401]

Thanks for the info Roger (looking at the diagram I realise the wheel wont wobble like a bad front bearing) , going to source out new bearing tomorrow, judging by the diagram parts needed are bearing, snap ring, o-ring, oil seal x2, gasket x2, anything else?

Having read up on the Aussy site I think I will garage it as mentions of having to "Oxy" the old bearings off mean its a no go for me.

Have you tried it like this with the wheels & drums off ??? place a long screw driver near the bearings against your ear and move towards the diff try and source the noise

Did try it with the wheels & drums off Marky, pretty sure it's the bearing now.

[Vagrant No2]

To remove the old bearing no oxy needed , in fact that is a bad way to remove the bearing as the half shaft does not like heat . Remove the shaft and break outer bearing case of the shaft with hammer . All the ball bearings will fall out ,as will the cage . You will be left with the inner bearing case on the shaft . With an angle grinder you can grind a slot across the case ALMOST all the way through . Then 'crack' it the rest of the way through with a hammer and cheisel . To fit new bearing fit all the seals etc on the shaft as required and then put bearing on to shaft . To drive it home ,a scaffold pole sometimes is the right size to knock the bearing all the way home . The weight of the pole being slid down the half shaft acts like a slide hammer . Be sure the pole being used fits to the size of the inner case of the bearing or you will damage new bearing .


Rick

[kazam401]

Cheers Rick maybe i'll have a look myself (gulp) if I cant get the new bearing on I will give that job to the garage as Roger did, got to save me some money unless I totally f*** it up, anyone got any torque settings?

WeyHay I just broke the Ton

[Grimreeper]

Cheers Rick maybe i'll have a look myself (gulp) if I cant get the new bearing on I will give that job to the garage as Roger did, got to save me some money unless I totally f*** it up, anyone got any torque settings?

WeyHay I just broke the Ton

Thought it was just me aving bad luck after the moors romp. I have a lovely oily/greasey mess on the inside off rear o/s wheel. Think shaft seal has gone. Not sure yet whether its just gone with age or if breather has got blocked and with playing the diff had no where to breath so blow out seal.
It will keep me busy lol
Hope u get urs sorted ok
Jon

[Gamedawn]

You'll almost certainly need new bearing retaining rings - just a steel ring that goes between the bearing and the snap ring - but it's a v tight fit and will probably need to be cut off. By the way, the angle grinder method is virtually impossible because the bearing case is in the way, the guys that did mine used a diamond tipped tool in a Dremel or similar. to do it the "proper" way you need a special tool and a hydraulic press or a very big hammer to remove the half shaft from the bearing.

[TonyN]

I've tried it once and but could'nt get it off, but others I know have held the back plate and pounded the axle end on concrete floor to get the bearing off. I cracked the garage floor so stopped, but the axle shaft wasn't damaged and slid back in the diff OK.

No responsability taken if anyone trys it! Just telling what has been done before.......

If you have a welder, make a plate that bolts to the four nuts behind the backplate, then cut a hole in the middle big enough for the shaft to slide over, then weld a tube to the plate with a another plate fixed to the top. Slid it over the shaft, bolt it to the back plate studs then rest the top plate between vice jaws so you have a little of the axle shaft sticking out the top facing up. Then you belt the axle with a Big Fecking Hammer and a drift that locates in the center hole of the shaft and drive it down towards the floor.