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  • NiftyNev
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    Was your Surf an auto? If it is then Vince was correct. The wires are an earth and go here -

    http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...ic.php?t=29242

    Nev

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  • frankx
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    engine gubbed

    [QUOTE=frankx;744851]
    Originally posted by frankx View Post

    hi tony put the shim back in bucket turned over by hand herd we click from what sounded to be inlet valve? no major rattles so cranked over few times still no compression . out no.2 piston valve must be bent ? maybe timming belt jumped teeth? . deisel mechanic never showed up to day to test it. you said chek valves clearances in right order ? if you could explain we bit more in detail .still dont have manual as of yet . dont know where to cut my loses or spend more money on this import .tax up end nov.and ins. renewal middle next month .
    hi tony took head off and can confirm there is no piston in no.2 cylinder only top off shattered conrod inlet and exhuast valves disapeard also first time when fired and herd big bang thats what it must have been inside cylinder scored . so am on the look out for another engine? if you know anybody got spare want thank all you guys for helping alonge this thread all the best

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  • frankx
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    shim back in bucket

    [QUOTE=frankx;744694]
    Originally posted by TonyN View Post
    People call the shim buckets 'pots', let not get any more confused in this thread.



    A shim could get ejected if a valve is bent or even just jamming enough to let the shim and bucket bounce a little, but if the shim is half way out of the bucket the valve will stay open a bit and WILL get bent next revolution.

    Put the shim back, check the vlave clearances again, in the right order so you can see if a valve is sticking open before the pistion pushes it home.

    If it seems ok then by what ever means ( ie, :deep breath: ..pay someone.. if you can't do it!!) get a compression test done next, you need to know its mechanically ok before carring in with other things, or its all expensive guess work.[/QU
    hi tony put the shim back in bucket turned over by hand herd we click from what sounded to be inlet valve? no major rattles so cranked over few times still no compression . out no.2 piston valve must be bent ? maybe timming belt jumped teeth? . deisel mechanic never showed up to day to test it. you said chek valves clearances in right order ? if you could explain we bit more in detail .still dont have manual as of yet . dont know where to cut my loses or spend more money on this import .tax up end nov.and ins. renewal middle next month .

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  • frankx
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    replaceing shim

    [QUOTE=TonyN;744682]People call the shim buckets 'pots', let not get any more confused in this thread.



    A shim could get ejected if a valve is bent or even just jamming enough to let the shim and bucket bounce a little, but if the shim is half way out of the bucket the valve will stay open a bit and WILL get bent next revolution.

    Put the shim back, check the vlave clearances again, in the right order so you can see if a valve is sticking open before the pistion pushes it home.

    If it seems ok then by what ever means ( ie, :deep breath: ..pay someone.. if you can't do it!!) get a compression test done next, you need to know its mechanically ok before carring in with other things, or its all expensive guess work.[/QU
    Last edited by frankx; 19 November 2011, 14:07.

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  • TonyN
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    Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
    'Pots' is a slang word/description for the pistons or the cylinders which they slide up and down in, how can you see them if the cylinder head is still bolted to the block?

    You mean the rocker arms or rockers. The valve should be OK if it was just the shim that came loose, but you'll need to check the condition of the cam lobe.
    People call the shim buckets 'pots', let not get any more confused in this thread.



    A shim could get ejected if a valve is bent or even just jamming enough to let the shim and bucket bounce a little, but if the shim is half way out of the bucket the valve will stay open a bit and WILL get bent next revolution.

    Put the shim back, check the vlave clearances again, in the right order so you can see if a valve is sticking open before the pistion pushes it home.

    If it seems ok then by what ever means ( ie, :deep breath: ..pay someone.. if you can't do it!!) get a compression test done next, you need to know its mechanically ok before carring in with other things, or its all expensive guess work.

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  • NiftyNev
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    Originally posted by frankx View Post
    good news found the missing shim under rocker cover at engine looks like took 6 hits on the way out which expains why there no compression inlet valves wasent opening as i said the pots move up en down freely like the rest do you think i might bent valve on i'ts way out ? do i have set the timing take off the cam to replace the shim havent done it before can you explain what needed
    You could put the shim back in simply by positioning engine on top dead centre of compression stroke for that cylinder, push the bucket down to open valve and slip the shim back in. I personally think the shim cam out for a reason and that is because the engine is stuffed.

    Nev

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  • Overland Tonka
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    Originally posted by Sancho View Post
    I think I scored some abuse that got deleted.
    Think it was aimed at me...as I said before difficult to tell ....though I was quoted.

    Listen to Bush's advice or get an engine off ebay..

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  • Sancho
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    Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
    Hence post #96, but negative replies don't get a response.
    I think I scored some abuse that got deleted.

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  • BUSHWHACKER
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    Originally posted by meooo View Post
    I'm sure its been said before in this thread, but a non-opening valve won't cause no compression.
    If you had no valve clearance without a shim in place, it would appear the valve head may have come off the stem, so that the valve operation appears to be ok but the head has gone into/through the piston crown.
    If, however, the shim has "just popped out" you need to find out why. It is quite possible that on its way out it caused the valve to stay open and strike the piston....and bent the valve, so no compression...possible hole in piston too.
    I feel you're just putting off the inevitable by swapping parts...any engine that won't fire after a FULL TIN of easy start is, generally, foo-baad
    Hence post #96, but negative replies don't get a response.

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  • meooo
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    I'm sure its been said before in this thread, but a non-opening valve won't cause no compression.
    If you had no valve clearance without a shim in place, it would appear the valve head may have come off the stem, so that the valve operation appears to be ok but the head has gone into/through the piston crown.
    If, however, the shim has "just popped out" you need to find out why. It is quite possible that on its way out it caused the valve to stay open and strike the piston....and bent the valve, so no compression...possible hole in piston too.
    I feel you're just putting off the inevitable by swapping parts...any engine that won't fire after a FULL TIN of easy start is, generally, foo-baad

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  • frankx
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    cam lobe

    Originally posted by flounderbout View Post
    Sorry. I accidentally the whole thing.
    hi bush ye the cam lobe looks fine just case set timing undue the cam bolts slide shim into place tork back up ? ye do you have the tork setting for cam bolts?

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  • flounderbout
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    Sorry. I accidentally the whole thing.

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  • Overland Tonka
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    Originally posted by Chillitt View Post
    Is this Tonka again?
    Oi.......why drag me into this?

    I've stayed away from this thread for pages and pages and pages and Pages and pages and pages...last time I commented we nearly lost the whole thread!..

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  • BUSHWHACKER
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    'Pots' is a slang word/description for the pistons or the cylinders which they slide up and down in, how can you see them if the cylinder head is still bolted to the block?

    You mean the rocker arms or rockers. The valve should be OK if it was just the shim that came loose, but you'll need to check the condition of the cam lobe.

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  • Chillitt
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    Is this Tonka again?

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