Suspension/Body Lift difference?

[Surfer Ross]

You're making friends quick, eh?

There are specific websites for making friends although most normal people prefer the more traditional method. I thought this particular site was for Surfs and everything connected with them

well, at least you're influencing people... to do what Im not sure?

My point was purely that if you're going to say that a statement is "rubbish", at least give a reason why you think its rubbish. Its not much to ask and it avoids confusion when people look at the thread in the future. It kind of compromises the usefulness of the search button if you find a thread with disputed information, yet the person disputing it doesn't then correct the "wrong" information.

There is no such thing as a "normal" lift in my humble opinion. There are so many kits around that none will ever give exactly the same end result.

Some of you are very, very, very easily upset. Chill out, I understand that a lot of people on the forum are personal friends, but if somebody is wrong, they are wrong. It could put somebody to a lot of expense or worse in the future.

The forum is here to help people and promote discussion about our trucks, not to develop an old boys clique that closes ranks when one of their number feels "insulted". Maybe something worth thinking about.

Peace and harmony to all.

[wishbone]

Some of you are very, very, very easily upset. Chill out, I understand that a lot of people on the forum are personal friends, but if somebody is wrong, they are wrong. It could put somebody to a lot of expense or worse in the future.

Ross - not everything you have posted in this thread is correct.. expect a backlash

[TonyN]

There are normal lifts, 2" suspension lifts or 2" body lifts always give the same lift.

Its only trucks like yours that have had to combine lots of stuff and buggering about to get the desired lift.

There is nothing wrong with it, but it dosn't have to be that complicated for most people who just want to cure a saggy arse, or not drag the rear bumper so much when offroad.

I think the point was being made that all this 'info' is coming across as gospel from someone who has been through it many times, when in fact you got the truck like it.

This isn't a slight on your intelligence, but its easy for typed stuff on the net to look like 'the law' when its really just opinions, and 'i've been told'.....

[TonyN]

Ross - not everything you have posted in this thread is correct.. expect a backlash

this is what i'm subtly trying to say.. lol

[Surfer Ross]

There are normal lifts, 2" suspension lifts or 2" body lifts always give the same lift.

Its only trucks like yours that have had to combine lots of stuff and buggering about to get the desired lift.

There is nothing wrong with it, but it dosn't have to be that complicated for most people who just want to cure a saggy arse, or not drag the rear bumper so much when offroad.

I think the point was being made that all this 'info' is coming across as gospel from someone who has been through it many times, when in fact you got the truck like it.

This isn't a slight on your intelligence, but its easy for typed stuff on the net to look like 'the law' when its really just opinions, and 'i've been told'.....

I accept what you are saying Tony, I can see the logic in that. If anybody feels that I have misled them, then I apologise.

In the best of faith, I call it like I see it. I can only comment using experience from 15 years of tuning and modifying turbo cars and trucks, owning 3 Surfs and those that have been owned by my brother for many years. Anything in my posts in this thread is as it is on my truck, I don't experience amusement from writing fiction. I will give respect where respect is due, hence my compliment on Brian's Suzuki thread, that is excellent work.

However, I will not be impressed by high post counts, most of which are generated by chit chat, niff naff and trivia. Nor will I s*ck up to those who are perceived to be part of the "in crowd". Sh*t can be stacked high and large ego's are easily deflated.

Given the chance to do things myself, I would have done my truck differently, that said, I think David Moore did a very good job on it. I have seen far worse.

[yoshie]

Your apology is unnecessary mate but accepted none the less, I know it wasn't personal and that you thought you were righting a wrong. Quoting somebody's post and then annotating it in red with words such as "Rubbish" is not a technique taken from the guide on "how to win friends and influence people" though. I didn't think that was very good form mate, even if you had been right.

Perhaps it could have been written in a less dictatorial and arrogant fashion or at least with a bit of explanation of why it was "Rubbish"?

You are correct it could and should have been replied to by me, with more tact.
I have been a little short on patience with some of the drivel on here of late and you undeservedly took a hit as a result.
I apologise again.

Brian

[Surfer Ross]

You are correct it could and should have been replied to by me, with more tact.
I have been a little short on patience with some of the drivel on here of late and you undeservedly took a hit as a result.
I apologise again.

Brian

Brian, thanks mate. I know that you know your stuff and it means a lot to me for you to say that.

My lift can't be all that, cos I just had to spend £190 at Roughtrax on 2 new track rods, a new pitman arm and a new steering idler The joints on my driver's side road are absolutely wrecked. Hopefully the truck will be a bit less twitchy at the front end after I've fitted them.

[TonyN]

My lift can't be all that, cos I just had to spend £190 at Roughtrax on 2 new track rods, a new pitman arm and a new steering idler The joints on my driver's side road are absolutely wrecked. Hopefully the truck will be a bit less twitchy at the front end after I've fitted them.

Mostly likely normal wear and tear to a degree, do they look original? Having said that, I'm always iffy of lifting front more 2" on just tweaking torsion bars for this very reason (apart from it eating CV's lol ) especially on old steering joints.

[Surfer Ross]

They look original Tony, the balljoints on the track rods and at the end of the pitman arm have given up the ghost and the idler arm looks like the bushes are shot. I thought about replacing the idler bushes but I've got hardly any time to do it at the moment so I just bought a new one.

Is replacement of the above a fairly straight forward job? It looks easy enough but I've said that many times and then spent the next four hours swearing like a New Yorker in a traffic jam.

[TonyN]

the ball joint on the idler is probably goosed anyway, if all the others are.

the only thing that a pig is the pitman arm, i've not got one off yet with any puller I have, I just grind nearly all the way through, then split it with a chisel these days.

the other ball joints come off ok with a decent splitter, and big hammer.



you may find you need the adjuster tubes and inner TRE's as well sometimes the tube is rusted solid or squashed to death if its been messed with alot. and if you've done everything else, why just leave 2 old joints?

[Surfer Ross]

the ball joint on the idler is probably goosed anyway, if all the others are.

the only thing that a pig is the pitman arm, i've not got one off yet with any puller I have, I just grind nearly all the way through, then split it with a chisel these days.

the other ball joints come off ok with a decent splitter, and big hammer.



you may find you need the adjuster tubes and inner TRE's as well sometimes the tube is rusted solid or squashed to death if its been messed with alot. and if you've done everything else, why just leave 2 old joints?

I ordered 2 new complete rods and a new fork type ball joint splitter. Sounds like the pitman arm might cause a bit of swearing.

[wishbone]

Don't bother with the fork type splitter - the bolt type works much better. Tighten it up and a sharp tap on the side of the joint will pop it open nicely.

[Surfer Ross]

Don't bother with the fork type splitter - the bolt type works much better. Tighten it up and a sharp tap on the side of the joint will pop it open nicely.

Damn it I was going to order the one in your picture. I'll have a blast with the fork and if it doesn't work, I'll go for the bolt type one.

[TonyN]

not much point saying that after he's brought one.....

I use that type, mostly cos they don't wreak the rubber boot if you're reusing the part. The other type works, but is more effort...

[wishbone]

My surf is the first vehicle that I've owned that the fork splitter didn't work on, which is why I own both types now My fork splitter is 17 years old btw...