Starting Issues

[Bogus]

"aint going nowhere" is a double negative. So if it isn't going nowhere, it must be going somewhere.

Thats not the best example of laetotes Ive seen, but pretty good for a Surf forum

Bogus

[scourslane]

Using East Start is not gonna solve the Problem n not recommended on a regular basis..... It's addictive !!
If ya gotta use a helper try WD40 into the Air Intake (Misting only)

There's always a Payback .... Don't know where n ya never know when tho !!!!

i only used a dab of easystart in the morning as it wouldnt start without it no matter how much cranking i did.

whats misting only?

to summarize, before the car went to the garage basically the 80amp fuse kept blowing therefore heater plugs not working. also i couldnt hear the relay click,

i took it into a sparkie to solve the fuse problem, they found a wire touching near the injector which obviously shorted it out, blowing the fuse.

next day on cold morning, now when ignition is on, can hear the relay click and the instrument panel glow plug stays on for about 4 seconds, then goes off,

when cranking it turns over, then gets a bit faster as if to fire, then drops to normal cranking speed, i did that this morning for about 2 mins, to eventually get to fire all spluttery, then put foot all way down from half way to clear it and it was fine.

[coolsv650]

As previously mentioned the 80 amp fuse does not control the relay or the light. it only protects the circuit between the glowplugs and the battery. If its blown you will think you are getting current to the glow plugs but you wont be.

The only sure fire way to find out is connect a multimeter between the live terminal (busbar) and earth, do it with the engine cold, you should get about 20 seconds of approx 10volts then drops if not the fuse is blown or the relay is faulty.

if you are getting a voltage at the glowplugs then they are likley faulty & will need replacement

If you are absolutely sure there is no short you could try connecting a jump lead between the battery positive and the glowplug busbar, it only needs to be on for about 5-10 secs then turn on the ignition and try to start.

just a thought, has the sparky actually replaced the blown fuse when he fixed the fault?

[Diezel Weazel]

whats misting only?

Eg... Your spraying a bolt at close quarters (Bolt gets a soaking) draw back from the object Bolt so there's a fine mist just making contact (so the Bolt is just Damp) ....
"Misting" like ya injectors should be doing !!!!

There's always a Payback .... Don't know where n ya never know when tho !!!!

[scourslane]

As previously mentioned the 80 amp fuse does not control the relay or the light. it only protects the circuit between the glowplugs and the battery. If its blown you will think you are getting current to the glow plugs but you wont be.

The only sure fire way to find out is connect a multimeter between the live terminal (busbar) and earth, do it with the engine cold, you should get about 20 seconds of approx 10volts then drops if not the fuse is blown or the relay is faulty.

if you are getting a voltage at the glowplugs then they are likley faulty & will need replacement

If you are absolutely sure there is no short you could try connecting a jump lead between the battery positive and the glowplug busbar, it only needs to be on for about 5-10 secs then turn on the ignition and try to start.

just a thought, has the sparky actually replaced the blown fuse when he fixed the fault?

yes he replaced fuse, as the old one was burnt to high heaven, so hes not just told me he has, i can physically see he has. so u say try one jump lead from positive terminal direct to bus bar? will it spark or something how will i know if that actually does something?

is there a way of testing the glowplugs individually without removing them?

cheers for help

[scourslane]

Eg... Your spraying a bolt at close quarters (Bolt gets a soaking) draw back from the object Bolt so there's a fine mist just making contact (so the Bolt is just Damp) ....
"Misting" like ya injectors should be doing !!!!

There's always a Payback .... Don't know where n ya never know when tho !!!!

ok, the way im did the easystart thing was undoing the clips on the intake, abd just giving a dab of spray near the filter.

[scourslane]

Using East Start is not gonna solve the Problem n not recommended on a regular basis..... It's addictive !!
If ya gotta use a helper try WD40 into the Air Intake (Misting only)

There's always a Payback .... Don't know where n ya never know when tho !!!!

wats the difference between wd40 and easystart anyway

[Albannach]

is there a way of testing the glowplugs individually without removing them?

Remove the bus bar and check the resistance to ground on each one individually.

[Albannach]

wats the difference between wd40 and easystart anyway

You're joking?

[scourslane]

i think glow plugs are going to be next thing to buy and try,

with a glow plug, are they either working properly or not at all, or could they be glowing a little bit, but not enough if u get me.

should i be away from the idea of a fuel problem, injector or lift pump, and im 99.9 percent sure its nothing do with fuel filter, as it runs fine once going

[scourslane]

You're joking?

nope

sorry? do tell!

[scourslane]

Remove the bus bar and check the resistance to ground on each one individually.

im a novice here! that doesnt really mean much. im guessing a multimeter cant do the job

[Albannach]

i think glow plugs are going to be next thing to buy and try,

with a glow plug, are they either working properly or not at all, or could they be glowing a little bit, but not enough if u get me.

should i be away from the idea of a fuel problem, injector or lift pump, and im 99.9 percent sure its nothing do with fuel filter, as it runs fine once going

I personally think it's a glow plug or glow plug wiring problem.

Before you spend any money, check the voltages like you've ben told. If they are OK, check the glow plugs, like you've ben told.

Once you've checked them, come back and tell us what voltages you get and for how long and what the individual plug resistances are.

[Albannach]

im a novice here! that doesnt really mean much. im guessing a multimeter cant do the job

Unless your multimeter can use an 8 and 10mm socket, no it can't, you'll have to remove the bus bar yourself. Then you can use the multimeter to check the resistance of each plug.

[Albannach]

nope

sorry? do tell!

No!