Starting Issues

[scourslane]

Ten seconds or so *after the glowplug light* goes off. Do try to actually read at least one bit of advice you're given thoroughly. Not being nasty when I say this mate, but you have such a knack for completely not paying attention to anything which anyone writes that it's more painful than having teeth pulled, trying to help you out. If you want advice, at least have the bl00dy decency to actually read and understand it.

sorry, im a complete novice to the diesel engine, and i mean that, theres been a lot of advice which i found confusing,

[scourslane]

You've waited how long? May take upto ten seconds or so.

matt, thanks for the advice,

am i understanding that once instument panel light as gone off, i wait for upto 10 seconds before cranking?

my basic understanding was that the glow plug light on was only the time the plugs were actually heating if you get me

[MattF]

am i understanding that once instument panel light as gone off, i wait for upto 10 seconds before cranking?

Yup. That's correct.

my basic understanding was that the glow plug light on was only the time the plugs were actually heating if you get me

The glow plug light itself is a bit misleading, to be honest. If you wait that extra few seconds until you get the beep, that will be your prime time for starting. The glowplugs are still working for quite a while, (exact length of time dependant upon engine temperature), after the light goes off. In all honesty, just ignore the glowplug light. It's neither use nor ornament in reality.

Some of us do actually turn the ignition off and glow it a second time when we hear the beep, to get an even smoother start.

[MattF]

sorry, im a complete novice to the diesel engine, and i mean that, theres been a lot of advice which i found confusing,

No worries mate. It can just be a tad irksome repeating the same info several times. I do tend to be classed as having a patience/subtlety deficiency by most too, which doesn't help either. It wasn't meant with any ill will though.

If you read through things a couple of times, it usually begins to make more sense the second time around. If you are still stuck regarding what it means though, then obviously feel free to ask. I suppose we do tend to take for granted on occasion that people will understand somethings which can be confusing when one has never come across them before.

[scourslane]

Yup. That's correct.



The glow plug light itself is a bit misleading, to be honest. If you wait that extra few seconds until you get the beep, that will be your prime time for starting. The glowplugs are still working for quite a while, (exact length of time dependant upon engine temperature), after the light goes off. In all honesty, just ignore the glowplug light. It's neither use nor ornament in reality.

Some of us do actually turn the ignition off and glow it a second time when we hear the beep, to get an even smoother start.

i get all this thanks, only thing tho i get no beep

[scourslane]

No worries mate. It can just be a tad irksome repeating the same info several times. I do tend to be classed as having a patience/subtlety deficiency by most too, which doesn't help either. It wasn't meant with any ill will though.

If you read through things a couple of times, it usually begins to make more sense the second time around. If you are still stuck regarding what it means though, then obviously feel free to ask. I suppose we do tend to take for granted on occasion that people will understand somethings which can be confusing when one has never come across them before.

understood, thanks again mate

[MattF]

i get all this thanks, only thing tho i get no beep

It's a '92, so you have the post-facelift model. As far as I know, all of them have 'feature'. Do you hear a second relay 'clunk', several seconds or so after the glowplug light goes out? That's usually the precursor to the beep, which happens a second or two later. If not, it may well be worthwhile checking the manifold heater is functioning correctly, as was suggested earlier. That's about the only other component, (other than the relays themselves), which could be faulty.

[scourslane]

It's a '92, so you have the post-facelift model. As far as I know, all of them have 'feature'. Do you hear a second relay 'clunk', several seconds or so after the glowplug light goes out? That's usually the precursor to the beep, which happens a second or two later. If not, it may well be worthwhile checking the manifold heater is functioning correctly, as was suggested earlier. That's about the only other component, (other than the relays themselves), which could be faulty.

no, second clunk, just the first one,

ok manifold heater, can anyone supply a picture of this and easy guide to checking it,

many thanks

the novice

[MattF]

ok manifold heater, can anyone supply a picture of this and easy guide to checking it,

If you go here:

http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/index.php

and type 'manifold+heater' into the search box at the top, that should give you a list of threads with useful info. The manifold heater has been discussed at decent length on there recently, but I can't remember in which thread offhand.

[scourslane]

update,

i now hear thw second clunk but i give it upto 10 seconds, before cranking ona frosty morning today,

First Crank, fired, with normal surf smoke
give it another turn off and on with the heater plugs,
second crank, cranking, no firing, no smoke
turned igntion off, on, and off twice with periods of being on long enough
3rd crank, smoke started bk, cranking got faster, then fired, little bit spluttery at first and started

[scourslane]

following on im going to try and do what as been sggested with the manifold heater, i would be grateful for a dummies guide to testing it, how to etc

would be very appreciative, remember im a novice at diesels never mind the great surf!

cheers in advance

[MattF]

Definitely something out of order there then. Is there not anything related to that resistor in that glowplug testing info download I posted the link to? Ongoing discussion on the Oz site regarding various starting problems at the moment, including that resistor:

http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...ic.php?t=22365

[scourslane]

Definitely something out of order there then. Is there not anything related to that resistor in that glowplug testing info download I posted the link to? Ongoing discussion on the Oz site regarding various starting problems at the moment, including that resistor:

http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...ic.php?t=22365

just read thru that link and i can see where it mentions it amongst other things,

what i seem to initially gather is that
1) there is a indication of where to find the resistor.
2) no instruction of how to test it
3) niftynev reckons that doesnt have anything to do with the cold starting, it seems it works to idle the car more in cold weather once started

[MattF]

just read thru that link and i can see where it mentions it amongst other things,

what i seem to initially gather is that
1) there is a indication of where to find the resistor.
2) no instruction of how to test it
3) niftynev reckons that doesnt have anything to do with the cold starting, it seems it works to idle the car more in cold weather once started

It's under the inlet manifold somewhere, (as described in that thread), and the function it serves has always been a bit vague. With regards to testing it, it should have an extremely low resistance. Can't remember what offhand, but if it's reading more than an ohm or two, it's probably shagged.

Btw, that may not be the cause of your problem. However, until you isolate what is causing the problem, you just have to work through each part of the glow and fuel system step by step. Rule one thing out and move onto the next.

[scourslane]

It's under the inlet manifold somewhere, (as described in that thread), and the function it serves has always been a bit vague. With regards to testing it, it should have an extremely low resistance. Can't remember what offhand, but if it's reading more than an ohm or two, it's probably shagged.

Btw, that may not be the cause of your problem. However, until you isolate what is causing the problem, you just have to work through each part of the glow and fuel system step by step. Rule one thing out and move onto the next.

to expand on that, testing the resistance, this is being done with a multimeter yes? and where does positve and negative pins go?

im a right in saying/reading its like a glow plug that heats the intake manifold area up?