Car Taxation Rates

[soramad]

I've recently sold my 2002 hilux and bought a 96 3rd gen to avoid the higher tax. Have I cocked up and still gonna get stuffed for the higher tax? Anyone else been charged the higher rate?

i drive a 96 3 ltr turbo intercooler and the yearly road tax is still £180.00 or whatever when i renewed it in may.

[Predictable Bob]

i drive a 96 3 ltr turbo intercooler and the yearly road tax is still £180.00 or whatever when i renewed it in may.

Snap !

Except my renewal was in December - it's £185 next time

[oily]

Thank gawd for that. Just have to wait for the tax renewal thing to drop through the letter box in December to be absolutely sure I spose

[GIRDLES]

Just renewed mine 3,0ltr 1996 £185.00.
Are they thinking about changing the year ie before 2001 ?

[gpz1100]

DVLA's New Rule

Quote from DVLA

Vehicle Tax
Vehicle tax will be payable in line with the vehicle’s first registration date in the UK. Even if the vehicle has been previously registered abroad, the date it is first registered in the UK will determine the amount of vehicle tax that’s payable. Additionally, DVLA will allocate a vehicle registration number appropriate to the vehicle’s first registration abroad.


So there we have it. Any vehicle imported into the UK from outside the EU is counted as NEW! and will be taxed by emissions. This i understand puts Surfs in band "G" . How this will apply to cars over 10 years old god knows!. The emissions are taken from the SVA which is not required for cars over 10 years old.

Just got my tax renewal for the Surf £400!!. But ######## its only money and the Surf is worth it. The next job is to write to my MP about his crap government and its unfair rules.

[Hawaii]

Afternnon all

Firstly can I just comment, I work for a government (I'm not a spy) agency so aren't thick.

Pasted below an exert from the DVLA website and it makes no comment as to where the vehicle was first registered. According to their information, it's the date of FIRST REGISTRATION THAT APPLIES. If your surf was registered elsewhere, before March 2001, and you have a document that proves that (import/BIMTA documents should cover all that) then you should pay the pre 2001 tax rate. Date of import etc. is complete rubbish!!!!

All rates of vehicle tax shown apply to tax discs taken out from 13 March 2008. You can calculate the cost of vehicle tax for your car, motorcycle, lorry, bus and all other types of vehicles.
The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences
Tax classes include:
private/light goods vehicles
cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 based on CO2 emissions and fuel type
cars registered on or after 23 March 2006 based on CO2 emissions over 225g/km and fuel type
motorcycles and tricycles
light goods vehicles registered on or after 1 March 2001
euro 4 light goods vehicles registered between 1 March 2003 and 31 December 2006
trade licences"

I drive a 1996 3rd gen, registerd in 1996 in japan, Imported for me in Feb 2004, it carries a 1996 UK registration number and I've just re-taxed it for £185.00 for 12 months

hope this helps - if not MEDIA is way to go

ta

hawaii

[gpz1100]

Thanks Hawaii, That is the argument i have used so far. The policy change can only be found in the "Import Pack" on the DVLA website. I have again written asking for a complete copy of this policy.
I,m not having a dig at the staff at DVLA,they have so far been very helpful, but even they seem to have been kept in the dark!! I have'nt given up and will continue to challenge this crazy policy.

[TonyN]

Quote from DVLA

Vehicle Tax
Vehicle tax will be payable in line with the vehicle’s first registration date in the UK. Even if the vehicle has been previously registered abroad, the date it is first registered in the UK will determine the amount of vehicle tax that’s payable. Additionally, DVLA will allocate a vehicle registration number appropriate to the vehicle’s first registration abroad.


So there we have it. Any vehicle imported into the UK from outside the EU is counted as NEW! and will be taxed by emissions. This i understand puts Surfs in band "G" . How this will apply to cars over 10 years old god knows!. The emissions are taken from the SVA which is not required for cars over 10 years old.

Just got my tax renewal for the Surf £400!!. But ######## its only money and the Surf is worth it. The next job is to write to my MP about his crap government and its unfair rules.

Seems pretty black and white, if thats the new rules, I guess anything imported after this rule came in place will get emissions banded tax relevent to the year it was imported. Trucks that were here already I guess are safe in the same way older uk cars are not effected.

To be honest I can see why they are doing it, every car that hits the roads, whether brand new or older car just imported is a extra burden on their 'green targets' for vehicle emissions, but stuff thats already here and in use is a little unfair to retrospectively raise its taxes.

Sucks, but there it is. Shafted again!

[muller1]

Tax Theft

[QUOTE=TonyN] Seems pretty black and white,

[QUOTE=TonyN] To be honest I can see why they are doing it,


I am sure WE can all see why they (G. BROON PM ) is/are doing it it is to get as much money out of us as he/they to finance his/their wanton wasting of our hard earned money on his/their personal, and hare brained schemes.

Remember government/treasury theft is not a new crime, it is only the way that it is done that is new.

Mike

[Leicalens]

Hi

This is a copy of a letter I sent to the DVLA regarding a similar issue. It may help others in the same situation. I received advice from an alternative forum, their advice is within the content of the letter. I am still waiting on a response from the DVLA for all my correspondance.

Did your issue get resolved and if so how did you do it???!!

Best Regards

Leicalens.

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Dear sir or madam

RE: VIN – KCH40-0014446, Toyota Regius, 1998, 2980CC.

Further to my last letter and return of V5C I have made additional enquiries to support your understanding of my request to have the ownership document amended so that I am placed in the correct band for vehicle tax.

I purchased the vehicle last year, it was an import from Japan through a trader. The date of registration in the UK was 2008 although the year of manufacture is 1998.

I drive a Toyota Regius 3.0TDI. It is a class 4 vehicle with 7 seats.

The company I purchased the car from taxed the car for 12 months and paid £165, this tax will expire on 01 Feb 2009. My SORN arrived stating that the tax for this year will be £400 for 12 months.

My local garage MOT'd the car yesterday and could not believe the DVLA wanted £400 for 12 months on the car. They suggested due to the number of seats and weight of the vehicle and the previous tax disc I should make enquiries.

I have contacted a number of Regius owners this afternoon who have paid £185 - £210 for 12 months tax.

According to Direct.gov regarding imported cars, and I assume this is what the DVLA is basing its decisions upon:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...icle/DG_172916

'Vehicle tax will be payable in line with the vehicle’s first registration date in the UK. Even if the vehicle has been previously registered abroad, the date it's first registered in the UK will determine the amount of vehicle tax that’s payable. Additionally, DVLA will allocate a vehicle registration number appropriate to the vehicle’s first registration abroad.'

And

'Cars registered on or after 23 March 2006 will be band G'
C02 (g/km) over 225 - £400

This however is not correct.

The Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (as amended by the Finance Act 2000) Schedule 1, part 1A is what specifies which cars are liable for "Graduated Rates of Duty" based on CO2 emissions. It states:

‘1A
(1) This Part of this Schedule applies to a vehicle which—
(a) is first registered on or after 1st March 2001, and
(b) is so registered on the basis of an EC certificate of conformity or UK approval certificate that—
(i) identifies the vehicle as having been approved as a light passenger vehicle, and
(ii) specifies a CO2 emissions figure in terms of grams per kilometre driven

Section 1 part 1 of the same schedule states:

‘1
(1) The annual rate of vehicle excise duty applicable to a vehicle in respect of which no other annual rate is specified by this Schedule is [the general rate].
(2) [Except in the case of a vehicle having an engine with a cylinder capacity not exceeding [1,549 cubic centimetres], the] general rate is [£185].
(2A) In the case of a vehicle having an engine with a cylinder capacity not exceeding [1,549 cubic centimetres], the general rate is [£120].]
(2B) For the purposes of this Schedule the cylinder capacity of an engine shall be calculated in accordance with regulations made by the Secretary of State.]

So, even a vehicle first registered in the UK after 1st March 2001 is still liable for the "general rate" based on engine size unless there is an EU Certificate of Conformity or a UK approval certificate for that exact model.

As I understood it before 01 March 2001 all class of vehicles went on the size of the engine and not the emissions it produced. On a 1998 model year car it is extremely unlikely that comprehensive emissions data is available. CO2 figures have only needed to be included in the certificate since 2001.

On a more subjective note I was under the impression that the car tax reforms by Alistair Darling was to encourage the design and manufacture of more fuel efficient cars not to cripple the second hand or import markets.

Please can you provide me with a copy of the EU or UK certificate for my exact vehicle model and the year that states the CO2 emission figures as soon as possible so I may proceed with my enquiry.

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[Brummie]

Thats the way to do it!!!!! Go for the nuts! Make them show you the regulations they have based thier decision on .
As other members have already posted get the media involved, the Daily Mail springs to mind. They seem only (only seem?) to need half an excuse to go after the government or one of its departments.
You could take this up with your M.P.especialy if they,re in opposition.

best of luck Brummie

P.S. take no prisoners.Keep on at them until you get satisfaction.

[logey79]

no-one takes the daily mail seriously though.

[Brummie]

no-one takes the daily mail seriously though.

True! but appart from the broadsheets is there any paper you can take seriously? and even with them I wonder.

[J_D]

The Telegraph tend to like having a go at Labour too, especially over treatment/taxation of motorists.

[PDR]

So.... thinking out loud, if I went to have a look at a <2001 import 4x4 for sale privately and it had £185 written on the tax disk I would not have to worry about Band G?