why is vista crap ??

[da SLUG man]

B0ll0cks you do. I'm not talking about a computer, I'm talking about the one under your telly. You don't have to use a menu, you just press the f'ing button, same as on a mac (top right corner)

ooh!... that's like the one in my shed!!

[dieselboy]

im not looking for retribution, just reasons (not opinions,conjecture or my mates got it and its pants etc...)

why is vista so crap ??

its not crap. its good. i use it at home and work and its way better than boring old xp.

if you use office 2007 along with xp, and ie7, the menus and the way you do things is a lot better and easier once you know how to do them. because its different that 2000, xp, 95 and 98.

like riding a bike, once u know how its easy..

[Apache]

B0ll0cks you do.

[dieselboy]

So WHAT?!?!?!

Like I said, its just like saying "This new car is great but for GODs SAKE i need petrol rather than the coal I used to use!"

If it needs 2Gb, i'm sure an extra £20 or so wont break the bank. Hardware is cheaper than its ever been and getting cheaper daily (I saw a PC with a 17" LCD monitor etc for £299 on the telly before) so why moan that the new OS wont run on the crappy old hardware you had two years ago?

asda do an ACER pc for £250, with widescreen 17" monitor, keyboard and mouse.. bargain if you ask me.

[dieselboy]

AMD - manufacturers name of the processor running the machine
durion64x2 - is AMDs processor model name
64Bitx2 - processor runs in 64Bit mode (like intel core duo)

Nvidia - manufacturer of the Graphics Card
Geforce Go 7300 - model of the card
128Mb -size of the Memory on the card

1.6GB x2 L2 cache - 1.6GB could be the disk size or more likely 1.6Ghz which is the speed of the processor
L2 cache - Level 2 cache - this acts as a buffer between the processor and the memory for swapping in/out control sequences


PS I believe it was me that stated Vista is crap. I have worked both different versions of MS OSes (from Wind 3.1, Win 95, Win98, Win98 SE, Win NT 3.51, Win NT 4.0, Win XP and finally Vista) and personally I hate vista due to previous items stated plus many more.

I have bought machines with Vista on and used the Vista license for backwards licensing purpose to install XP over the top.

forgot to mention its dual core!
the x2 means it has two cpu's on one die (i think)
it may, or may not have 2 seperate cpus, but it has two lol

[Sancho]

Well, it upsets me when so-called 'experts' come on here spouting opinions on things they know nothing about and presenting it as fact.

I'm sure I sound like someone....

[Gizmo]

forgot to mention its dual core!
the x2 means it has two cpu's on one die (i think)
it may, or may not have 2 seperate cpus, but it has two lol

If you read the list it does state in brackets (like Intel Core duo)

[RodLeach]

well....

Vista wont run Autocad so thats a total pain in the butt

[MattF]

An enthusiast who wants to do more than the machine is designed to do will upgrade it. Be it a couple of 1Gb strips, or a set of mud tyres and a bodylift.

Nope. An enthusiast wouldn't buy a basic bottom end piece of kit to start with. They would either go for a top end machine or hand pick their own components and build their own.

[MattF]

Oh yeah, its cos it's written by the underdog computer company, so is 'cooler' in some strange way

To be precise, it's not. The user interface and tweaks to the system are solely done by Apple, but the underlying operating system is not related to Apple in any way or form. They merely create the visual aspects and tweak it to work as they desire, (be that good or bad).

[MattF]

ps mattf is a geek

And proud of it.

p.s: Or should that be nerd?

[da SLUG man]

To be precise, it's not. The user interface and tweaks to the system are solely done by Apple, but the underlying operating system is not related to Apple in any way or form. They merely create the visual aspects and tweak it to work as they desire, (be that good or bad).

is that like Nokia using the S60 OS then sending it to vodafone, who change it all around and remove some features so it will no longer work a telephone?

[MattF]

is that like Nokia using the S60 OS then sending it to vodafone, who change it all around and remove some features so it will no longer work a telephone?

Sounds about right.

[Apache]

Well, it upsets me when so-called 'experts' come on here spouting opinions on things they know nothing about and presenting it as fact.

I'm sure I sound like someone....

Where did I state I was an expert? Nowhere.

I dstated I'm a user. They'rr my opinions as such.

I only spout expert opinion on stuff I *AM* an expert on

[bu5hwack3r]

I'm absolutely sure Vista is great for the average (95%) home user who plays the odd game, writes email and surfs.

What you have here Gra is a bunch of nerds who expect an OS targetted at that 95% to do allsorts of weird cr@p that no-one in their right mind would want to do

I used to use Solaris years ago, to run a data gatherer at pretty high data rates, and uninterrupted. Windows couldn't do it properly, hence the use of Solaris. It was great for that, but it was a BIG PITA to use, difficult to learn to use, and when it threw a wobbler, nigh on impossible for mere mortals to sort out. Would I use it at home? Would I hell!

I've always used Windows of some description at home because it does what I need, doesn't demand that I do software as a hobby, and 99.9% of the time 'just works'. That is Microsoft's market, and they do that bit well from what I can see.

I like the look of MACs (aesthetically speaking) but think the OS is a bit too Solaris GUI like for comfort Whoever heard of dragging a drive to the trash to eject a CD?! Thats cr@p!

I expect when we upgrade our laptop this christmas, we'll find Vista does everything we want just fine.

The system for £299.00 you quote in a further thread, I doubt would run the more recent games like Crysis, COD4 etc in anything other than very low resolution, if at all. £20 will not buy you 2gb of RAM worth having, and the graphics card would probably be on-board, not dedicated, so you can't upgrade that either. I think the 'casual' user would be unaware of this, and find himself with an obsolete system inside of 6 months. Running Vista on these cheap systems only compounds the problem. The difference between upgrading a pc, and your Surf analogy, is that the Surf CAN be upgraded, the only possible constraint being financial. This is not the case with a budget pc / laptop.