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  • Weird wobbles - help

    Hi all

    I've recently gone up to 33s, and ever since, the truck is experiencing some pretty violent wobbles, though only between 30-50mph on roughly surfaced roads or rural roads with small corrugations. The whole truck feels very unsteady during the vibrations, and it wobbles around really badly. The steering wheel isn't violent, just the feeling right up through the chassis, right to the back.

    These are roads I've done for years - up until last week - on my old tyres (32") with nothing like the same reaction.

    I've since replaced all four shocks with brand new Pedders, fitted a new track rod end and had a full, proper, digitally calculated laser alignment for toe, camber and caster. There's no change. It's also just had its MOT so I know there's nothing too obviously bad, and in the last year or so I've had the prop shaft off and balanced and new UJs. It's also had uprated Lesjofers springs fitted in the last 2 years which have been stiff but strong, and certainly not caused this up to now.

    I've done the same roads with 25 psi in all four tyres, and 30 psi, and there's very little difference in the way it feels. I'd go up to 35-40psi but I can only imagine it would be worse? The truck with the new suspension and tyres is very crashy, not a comfortable ride at all.

    I should point out its absolutely fine above 50mph, on motorways it's great, though I'm not sure if this is due to a different resonance or naturally smoother road surfaces. At present I daren't off road in it as it would shake my fillings out.

    Can anyone advise?

    Owen

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    It's also had new drop links and ARB bushes in the last couple of years, and all the tyres were fitted and balanced in the last couple of days.

    Owen

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    • #3
      Get your steering damper checked - if original, may be time for replacement.

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      • #4
        Yeah I was considering that, though isn't it just sticking a plaster on the real problem?

        My steering box does leak fluid in fairness, though I'm not sure that's the issue either, as I don't feel it solely through the steering wheel, it seems to emanate up through the chassis, and is just as bad at the rear?

        Owen

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        • #5
          I've gone up to 40psi this morning, and still pretty bad, and a very harsh ride, as expected. I've dropped to 20 psi now to see if that makes any difference, then I can rule out tyre pressures I think. I could get the wheels balanced again, but the fact they roll perfectly true with no wobbles at all on smooth roads makes me think it's suspension related.

          As mentioned above I've replaced the front ARB D-bushes and drop links and bushes before, but not on the rear. On inspection they're pretty old and not looking great, but they're tight, and there's no play in them. Likewise the rear panhard bar seems solid in its mounts, despite surface rust. There's nothing to show the bushes on it are worn either.

          I would describe it as death wobble, but the shaking isn't coming through the steering wheel, it seems to come more from the suspension / chassis than the steering. It's hard to differentiate between front and rear for it either - it seems the front is very hard and the rear also, all of a sudden. It's almost like the springs and shocks can't damp the heavier tyres, which would make sense except for there are now new shocks all round, and the springs (which are of good quality and relatively new), haven't changed from the previous tyre, when everything was fine.

          The new tyres are 8kg heavier each, so a fair chunk, but not that much heavier!

          Anyone think of anything I'm missing here?

          Owen

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          • #6
            You may need the heavier duty Return To Centre Steering Damper?

            Nev.

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            • #7
              I think I'll replace the damper anyway, but it really feels like the suspension in each corner is rock hard. Anyone had this with new tyres? Thinking they might need to 'break in' a bit?

              Owen

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              • #8
                check the prop shaft ujs for play
                SWIFT AND BOLD

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                • #9
                  Stearing dampener would be the first thing to change. Does the problem increase if braking? If so do you have warped brake discs?
                  Also do you have manual locking hubs fitted on the front as when theyare disengaged they assist on road driving due to the front prop shafts not turning and save on CV joint wear.
                  ' You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.'

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                  • #10
                    Thanks chaps, yeah just picked up a Pedders HD steering damper. There's no obvious increase under braking, I replaced both calipers, discs and pads last year and am never that heavy on the brakes, so I'd doubt they're warped. I also fitted manually locking hubs last year as well, yep. I've bought new rear ARB bushes and drop links just in case, and will replace those this weekend, then reassess...

                    Owen

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                    • #11
                      Little update: new HD steering damper in, courtesy of Tony, and I've since removed the rear ARB entirely. Extremely harsh ride over rough ground and really big, weird wobbles seemingly from the chassis exactly the same as before, when the rear bar was in place and the old damper on.

                      This has only happened since fitting the brand new 33s, and it's been effectively the same at 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40psi, to varying degrees of course.

                      I haven't yet swapped tyres front and back, but seeing as the issue seems to be just as much from the back as the front I'm certain it won't change anything. Again, on smooth road it's a dream. On rough surfaces it's like the tyres are made of rock and the chassis is wobbling itself apart...

                      Owen

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                      • #12
                        I have a solution for you my friend: stick the new 33s on ebay and go back to 32s and a smooth ride.

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                        • #13
                          Haha yeah it's crossed my mind! Bit strange though as I've ridden in trucks with 33s and not had my fillings removed!

                          Owen

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                          • #14
                            You checked the play in your front bearings Owen? Bigger diameter and more unsprung weight really amplifies any wobble that was already there and will be more noticeable at slower speeds where there's a bit of side-side sway

                            Top and bottom balljoints too?

                            FYI - I'm on 285 16s - equivalent to approx 32s on modular steelies which are pretty heavy and it rides good. Bearings and ball joints are fresh and on original dampers
                            Last edited by des55; 8 September 2017, 14:09.

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                            • #15
                              Hi chap

                              Just went through its MOT with no advises on bearings or ball joints, but yeah I'll go over them, good thinking.

                              I really think it could be the 6ply tyres, anyone else here running the Toyo Open Country MTs?

                              The other thought was perhaps by having not cut and welded my panhard rod it could be giving some shimmy somehow, seems strange though seeing as it was fine before the tyres switched.

                              Owen

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