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    eventually decided to remove head to check for dreaded cracks! got timing belt cover off and the belt has torn on the edge nearest the motor.it is like a 3mm ribbon all along. the cog to the left and below camshaft is being pulled off by the belt......QUESTION is there any chance that this could have caused the billowing white smoke on stat up and why'll running. I have not been able to start it at all lately, it fires now and again (like an old cement mixer) but will not catch! When it last started there was no bad noises just ran rough. Timing (timing belt) maybe. Your opinions will be gratefully received..............Thanks for the offer and advise. A mechanic mate comin around tomorrow to have a look. Will take it from there .Fingers crossed. Thanks again
    Last edited by Bluebirdsurfer; 4 March 2008, 22:10.
    STEVIE J

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    Yea as far as im aware if your timing has slipped , there are probably bent valves.
    low compession , unburnt fuel , smoke yes , rough running yes!
    Scottish mud club

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sjkiwi63@hotmail.co.uk View Post
      eventually decided to remove head to check for dreaded cracks! got timing belt cover off and the belt has torn on the edge nearest the motor.it is like a 3mm ribbon all along. the cog to the left and below camshaft is being pulled off by the belt......QUESTION is there any chance that this could have caused the billowing white smoke on stat up and why'll running. I have not been able to start it at all lately, it fires now and again (like an old cement mixer) but will not catch! When it last started there was no bad noises just ran rough. Timing (timing belt) maybe. Your opinions will be gratefully received.
      if your belt has slipped this will retard your timing lots of smoke bad running, sought your pulley out fit a new belt and give t a try, fingers crossed, i have pulleys if you need them
      JAP4X4PART ¬ THE BIGGEST SURF BREAKER IN THE UK ¬

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      • #4
        Timing belt cog bolt snapped. Removal methoids? if any!

        Originally posted by sjkiwi63@hotmail.co.uk View Post
        eventually decided to remove head to check for dreaded cracks! got timing belt cover off and the belt has torn on the edge nearest the motor.it is like a 3mm ribbon all along. the cog to the left and below camshaft is being pulled off by the belt......QUESTION is there any chance that this could have caused the billowing white smoke on stat up and why'll running. I have not been able to start it at all lately, it fires now and again (like an old cement mixer) but will not catch! When it last started there was no bad noises just ran rough. Timing (timing belt) maybe. Your opinions will be gratefully received..............Thanks for the offer and advise. A mechanic mate comin around tomorrow to have a look. Will take it from there .Fingers crossed. Thanks again
        Got timing cover off to find that the bolt holding the cog to the left and lower than camshaft has snapped. what is this cog for and do you think i could get it drilled out and re threaded or partly drill and extract it.. I don't really want to remove head for financial reasons (mine being critical!) Supewrb web site by the way
        STEVIE J

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        • #5
          Thats the Idler. The bolts will snap if the bearing seizes. Sounds like it was well overdue for a belt change which should include the Idler,Tensioner and the Crank and Cam seals. You could replace these and then restart the engine but I think you will find that you will have other engine damage which can be as little as a bent valve or two or a whole lot worse.

          Nev

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          • #6
            snapped idler bolt removal.

            can the snapped idler bolt be removed in situ or does head need to come off. Bought surf last july and seller told me timing belt was 6 months old.Went to south of france in july. Think i'm lucky belt didn't go over there. The moral of this story is..Don't trust a polish surf seller from reading! I'm unemployed at mo so am looking at cheapest way to get up and running. Not using a garage ..just me my Mechanic friend and this excellent web site..Cheers Nev. What should I do.
            STEVIE J

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            • #7
              Yes it can be removed in vehicle. It's connected to the block and not the head. You will probably need to remove the radiator to allow room. If any of the bolt is protruding from the block then try some vice grips or get someone to tack weld another small bolt to it and then unscrew. If not then you will need to carefully drill centre of bolt and then use a screw extractor.

              Nev

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sjkiwi63@hotmail.co.uk View Post
                I don't really want to remove head for financial reasons (mine being critical!) Supewrb web site by the way
                Like nev said, the bolt goes through the oil pump cover and into the block, its about 4" long, they normally snap inside, in the block and you'll need to drill a hole into the bolt and use an extrator.

                Taking the head off won't help, but its still a ba$tard to get to.

                If you get the bolt out, check the broken bit hasn't rounded out the hole in the oil pump housing, if its worn the bolt will be able to flex and may break again. I've fixed them in the past with liquid metal round the new bolt, oil the bolt (to stop the bolt sticking) and let it set, to rebuild the hole, its not great, but has worked successfully and saved lots of effort changing the oil pump cover.
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                • #9
                  snapped idler bolt

                  at long last i,ve got me a job got new belt,tensioner and idler pulley. the bolt for the pulley has snapped where the thread starts. where can i get a sturdy bolt extractor from. got a a set from machinemart but they are to flimsy ! i,ve drilled a 6mm hole in bolt. one suggestion i had from one of you good people was to use liquid metal. would this be a reasonable alternative? your thoughts and obvious graeter knowledge would be appreciated.
                  STEVIE J

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                  • #10
                    The liquid metal is only to repair the hole if its rounded.

                    Go to a local motor factors and check if they have extractors - you'll be able to handle them to see if they are worth the money.

                    Whereabouts in Cardiff is the truck? I'm working in Caerphilly tomorrow morning and could call in to see you in the afternoon if you're available.
                    Another member of the 'A' team

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                    • #11
                      lovely boyo,

                      me and my sick truck are in north cardiff, 10 mins from caerphilly. do you know the old road over the mountain to cardiff. if so it'll be a doddle to give you directions. thanks for the offer.
                      STEVIE J

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bluebirdsurfer View Post
                        me and my sick truck are in north cardiff, 10 mins from caerphilly. do you know the old road over the mountain to cardiff. if so it'll be a doddle to give you directions. thanks for the offer.
                        Yeah I know it. I'll be working at the Western Ind. Est which is at the bottom of the other side of that hill.

                        I'll be finished by 3 latest so give me a call - leave me some contact details

                        cheers
                        Another member of the 'A' team

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                        • #13
                          fell asleep

                          sorry lovely, my new job is nights and i fell asleep before your reply. am off to machinemart again today to look at sturdier extractors. will keep you posted. thanks again for the offer
                          STEVIE J

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bluebirdsurfer View Post
                            sorry lovely, my new job is nights and i fell asleep before your reply. am off to machinemart again today to look at sturdier extractors. will keep you posted. thanks again for the offer
                            No worries Steve,

                            Send me an email with your phone number - I've mailed you.

                            If you pay your £10 you can enter into the wonderful world of forum messaging! And see all the lovely piccies.

                            And you get a blue star - goes with the name!!!!!
                            Another member of the 'A' team

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