@Dieselboy

[wishbone]

I've been looking at greenstuff brake pads, and found the part number you posted here. You used DP6807 which I think was for the smaller pre 1991 discs. My question is did they fit properly or have they left a ridge around the edge of your brake discs ?

I thought I needed DP6992 for the bigger discs ?

Cheers,
Rob.

[dieselboy]

Hi mate, sorry for the late response. I checked my invoice and I did in fact buy the DP6807::

QTY ITEM PRICE
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1 DP6807:EBC[1] EBC BRAKE PADS / EBC GREENSTUFF 4X4-6000 & £ 41.95
7000 DP6807 - EBC Greenstuff 6000 Series Brake Pads

I recall cross checking plenty of documentation to determine which pad I needed to buy.. I did also post a thread regarding the Summit Racing website as there was some confusing and possibly contradicting info regarding the Landcruiser pads which should have fitted our Surfs. I would have been cautious regarding the pad sizes too.
Looking back through my thread, the links are all out of date / expired so sorry about that. How did you find that you may need the 6992 rather than the 6807? I was certain I bought the right size at the time.

If I need to buy pads again, right now I would immediately buy the 6807 unless you have new information. I am so pleased with those pads, they completely transformed the braking response on my truck since fitting the 33" tyres and wheels. It went from the occasional bum-cletching on motorways and after a journey I would get ABS like vibration on even slight braking to giving me complete confidence. I like going on road trips and near the end of the trip I would brake and the truck would slow down in pulses. As soon as the EBC's were fitted that vanished, I could do a controlled emergency brake if needed without any brake fade. I also frequently drove to Dorking down the steep hill from Boxhill and I didn't use engine braking but all foot brake. If the brakes got hot, the difference at the bottom of the hill was absolutely none. No noise, no smell and difference in feeling on the pedal.

One thing I will say is that from first morning driving, I don't know if it was due to surface rust on the rotors or just purely because of them being cold but the brakes wouldn't be as sharp as they would be until the 2nd or 3rd stop or so. But you only notice it with light braking, purely because they are sharp enough that you don't need to press hard normally.

p.s. I will be upgrading the OEM pads on my Supra to EBC's very soon. I think I got the pads a bit hot the other night as I could smell them a bit.

Hope the above helps

[dieselboy]

Just looked here and it states the DP6807 for my 1994 "4Runner"
http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/p...TD+%2893-97%29

Also, the 6807 is listed for the same year Prado (Australia) and Landcruiser in this EBC doco:
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/assets/EBC%...ry%202013.xlsx

If you know about those model Toyotas, do they have the same disc and caliper setup as our Surfs?

HTH

[wishbone]

Thanks for the detailed reply..

Looking at the summitracing site it seemed to suggest the dp6807 pads for the smaller disc versions of the 4runner (89 - 91 ish), and the dp6992 for the larger disc model.

Everywhere else just lists the dp6807.

I know some places supply the same pads for both versions so wanted to check with someone who has actually bought them.

Cheers,
Rob.

[dieselboy]

I'm interested to know either way.. Although mine is a 1994 model.

Wouldn't the smaller pads float around a little bit inside the caliper? I never hear any noise whatsoever from the pads, if that helps. Sorry I can't tell you more. It's not even like I can go and take a look, either.

[NiftyNev]

Any listing for the 4Runner/Surf that states the early and later models have the same pads are wrong. I know listings here in Australia are the same and they are wrong. The brake calipers and rotors changed in the 8/'91 on the Surfs. Our number down here for the Bendix pads is DB1149 for early models and DB1346 for the later. I don't know if the DP6992 is the correct one. I thought that the only common thing with Landcruiser brakes were the same size pistons and seals in the calipers. I thought the rotors and calipers were different.

You may have seen this but here is what we found regarding all this -

http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...ic.php?t=20489

Nev.

[NiftyNev]

I'm interested to know either way.. Although mine is a 1994 model.

Wouldn't the smaller pads float around a little bit inside the caliper?

No, the wrong pads believe it or not fit the caliper perfectly. As far as I can figure out is that they are not phisically smaller in any way, just small differences in the metal backing and the position of the pad on the backing plate. It's only their position in relation to the rotor (and maybe where the piston pushes on the back of pad) that is different. The wrong pad will sit outside the rotor by a mm or two and the correct one will sit inside the OD of the rotor. The incorrect ones have been fitted to my Surf for about eight years now and still work fine. I have no idea if braking performance is affected in any way but I have never had a problem stopping.

Nev.

[MWS]

I've never been completely satisfied with my brakes. It sounds like these EBC pads might be a real improvement. Does anyone else have any experience of upgrading to them? Also, do EBC do matching rear shoes for an all four corners upgrade?

[dieselboy]

No, the wrong pads believe it or not fit the caliper perfectly. As far as I can figure out is that they are not phisically smaller in any way, just small differences in the metal backing and the position of the pad on the backing plate. It's only their position in relation to the rotor (and maybe where the piston pushes on the back of pad) that is different. The wrong pad will sit outside the rotor by a mm or two and the correct one will sit inside the OD of the rotor. The incorrect ones have been fitted to my Surf for about eight years now and still work fine. I have no idea if braking performance is affected in any way but I have never had a problem stopping.

Nev.

Now you've said that, I remember seeing a drawing which I think you posted which shows that it's the friction side which is located differently. It's located closer to the centre of the wheel. Technically, I can see that the older pads would give poorer braking performance due to having less torque being applied to the disk, due to sitting slightly inside where it should. Whether this is by any measurable amount or whether it makes any real difference I don't know

I've never been completely satisfied with my brakes. It sounds like these EBC pads might be a real improvement. Does anyone else have any experience of upgrading to them? Also, do EBC do matching rear shoes for an all four corners upgrade?

They do shoes as well, but I'm unsure if for the Surf as haven't looked. I think that you would only feel the benefit there if you did a lot of towing or carrying weight.

[Predictable Bob]

Has anybody used EBCs on a 3rd Gen ?

[dieselboy]

Has anybody used EBCs on a 3rd Gen ?

I don't think the brakes are too different from a late 2nd gen to a 3rd gen..? It lists the same pads, but as Nev said - they could be wrong!

[dieselboy]

I just found out that EBC show a graphical drawing of their pads. Here's the drawing of the 6807 and 6992. This time, I've saved the photo and uploaded it so that it lasts longer. Seems the pads are the same size but they're different backing..
HTH

[wishbone]

And here are the 6807's fitted to my 95 3.0...

Seems like they are the ones for the pre 91 smaller disc version...

Shiny club folks - don't worry the calipers got a fresh coat of hammerite.

[wishbone]

summit racing still listing the 6992 as the pads for a 1994 4runner here.

I'm going to email EBC and see if they can clarify.

[MWS]

So how much better is the braking, now Rob ?