Anyone familiar with the Wrangler Jeep??

[Sancho]

Was that the 'Pink Jeep' tours in Prescott AZ by any chance? I seem to recall someone mentioning it. I saw their ads when I was there years ago but wasn't there long enough to book a trip.

<edit> - wrong place, I mean Sedona

http://www.pinkjeep.com/jeep-tours/sedona/

It was indeed (and, yes, Sedona). It was excellent. Quite a strange experience driving up a 45 degree rock face and an even stranger one driving back down when all you could see was the ground some distance away at the bottom of the hill.

[ROMEROTECH]

I didn't ask a question, I made a statement; which you confirmed in your reply, thanks for that. As you correctly say, the 'burble' (stupid noise) is designed in and easily fixed by tuning the engine.

You did make a statement so i apoplogise for that. You don't like the scooby burble and that's fair enough, and you might even think scoobys are gay which is your prerogative however, everything else you said was misinformed

As for TonyN and the flat 6 it's either a Tribeca, a Legacy, or one of those very rare engine transplants very few people undertake!!

Which ever one it is, i say nice one!!

ETA: I've just looked at your mini profile and you drive a Legacy. Nice one!!

[Albannach]

however, everything else you said was misinformed

What bit of 'the burble can be fixed by tuning the engine' is misinformed?

[ROMEROTECH]

What bit of 'the burble can be fixed by tuning the engine' is misinformed?

Ok let's nip this in the bud.

Your statemenet:

Properly tuned Scoobies don't sound like that, it's just the boy racer shite that sounds stupid.

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My final word on this because with the greatest respect your sweeping statements and generalisms are highly misinformed and utter drivel!!

You can tune whatever noise you like via exhaust tuning on any car you like whether highly modified/tuned or not.

However, there are many 350-650bhp properly tuned Subaru Impreza in the world, burbling their exhausts off because they can. These vehicles are properly tuned, have had thousands spent on just the engine internals alone, have big turbos and are remapped and tuned up to the eyeballs.

Many customers like them with the burble thereby they fit unequal length headers, however, said vehicles are very properly tuned, just like Impreza with equal length headers that hardly burble at all!!

Which bit of this are you having a problem with?

[Albannach]

My final word on this because with the greatest respect your sweeping statements and generalisms are highly misinformed and utter drivel!!

No they aren't. But that doesn't matter because you can't answer.

Which bit of this are you having a problem with?

None of it, properly tuned Subaru's don't make that silly noise, they use mismatched, unequal if you like (and therefore untuned) headers to create the noise.

[ROMEROTECH]

No they aren't. But that doesn't matter because you can't answer.



None of it, properly tuned Subaru's don't make that silly noise, they use mismatched, unequal if you like (and therefore untuned) headers to create the noise.

Previously you said it was the engine designed to make that noise. Now you've changed your mind and are saying it's the headers making that noise and because they are not equal they aren't tuned.

There are pro's and cons for both, but both types are tuned to provide certain characteristics. Each to their own application but both are found on well tuned high power Subaru's.

I think we'll just have to agree to dissagree.

[Albannach]

Previously you said it was the engine designed to make that noise. Now you've changed your mind and are saying it's the headers making that noise and because they are not equal they aren't tuned.

No, I didn't say the engine made that noise. I said the exhaust made that noise because the engine wasn't tuned properly. Matching headers is part of the engine tuning process.



We can agree to differ...

[shokenore]

And just to add some fuel to the fire ....would the avro vulcan or avro lancaster count as a flat four? (engine placement) 'cos the sound of those "fours" either at "tickover or on full noise is far preferable

[Sancho]

And just to add some fuel to the fire ....would the avro vulcan or avro lancaster count as a flat four? (engine placement) 'cos the sound of those "fours" either at "tickover or on full noise is far preferable

Givem the way this thread has gone (having started as a question about a clutch for a Jeep Wrangler), yes, I think it's fine to describe four V12s or even four turbojets as a flat 4, provided they are all in a line.

[ROMEROTECH]

No, I didn't say the engine made that noise. I said the exhaust made that noise because the engine wasn't tuned properly. Matching headers is part of the engine tuning process.



We can agree to differ...

Two cars making c.500bhp, one runs equal length and the other unequal length. Both make similar power and similar torque. One burbles and one doesn't.

Both are properly tuned and make similar outputs yet you don't agree just because one burbles!!

Agree to differ.....Absolutely!!

FPMSL!!

[ROMEROTECH]

I would just like to apologise to the OP for hijacking this thread.

Looking back through this thread, and at just how long myself and Albannach have burbled on for, i can only say sorry, and it won't happen again.

I'll get a room next time!!

As for Vulcan Bombers....A few months back one of those monsters flew over my house. Not only did i jump out of my skin but the house nearly fell to bits from the engine noise vibration as it was flying so ###### low.

Agreed that does sound better than any scooby, by miles!!

[shokenore]

Vulcan loud yes
F4 Phantom full power low level that will make you evacuate yourself!!!!

[s car go]

I would just like to apologise to the OP for hijacking this thread.

Hey this is nothing!!!

You should my other thread that got locked away

I think I'd best stop posting

Regards

Mark

[Predictable Bob]

While we're drifting shamelessly off topic ...

There's only one Vulcan left flying and that's XH558 and they don't run it anywhere near full power so you were VERY lucky !

In the early 80's I was posted to Benbecula and while I was there they used the airfield for practising bombing runs prior to going down to the Falklands and having a go at Port Stanley airfield. When they went down there they bombed from high level but the initial practice was done at low level

They announced the practice runs to the residents at 01:00 one morning by doing a low level bombing run in a Vulcan and hitting full power as they went over the quarters - military aircraft aren't allowed below 200' when flying over habitation but according to the guys in the control tower the run was well below that. To be woken from the depths of sleep by 4 Rolls Royce Olympus engines at full chat is an experience never to be forgotten !

[Apache]

Vulcan loud yes
F4 Phantom full power low level that will make you evacuate yourself!!!!

Stood next to the runway at Llanbedr as a Luftwaffe friend of our chief pilot left in his F4 after visiting for his birthday. Full chat on the brakes, release and light the burners as he started rolling. Jesus!!

He broke a lot of windows in Llanfair on his climb out, and a few eardrums on his flypast on his way out.