Uh Oh We're In Trouble.......

[logey79]

you did the right thing by explaining and oppologising to the farmer. shame he turned out to be a ####!
if he didnt listen to reason i would've done a 6 point turn on his front lawn/toes and done a dougnut in his garden and over his head!

is this condoning responsible behaviour?

i don't think what i said in the other thread was really out of line...did i misread this comment. coz to me it reads like you're condoning irresponsible behaviour to the extreme if someone was to disagree with your opinion.

i may be ranting a bit but the reason is valid. attitudes from the minority of 4x4 owners like this is what fecks it up for the rest of us.

once again, to make it clear - i'm not going on about this specific occasion as i've said before, scorpion won't cock up again after this experience, but he also sympathised with the farmers position and he didn't slag the guy off for having the right to keep his PRIVATE PROPERTY PRIVATE - whereas you and george think you have the right to access his land.

[goodcat]

is this condoning responsible behaviour?

i don't think what i said in the other thread was really out of line...did i misread this comment. coz to me it reads like you're condoning irresponsible behaviour to the extreme if someone was to disagree with your opinion.

i may be ranting a bit but the reason is valid. attitudes from the minority of 4x4 owners like this is what fecks it up for the rest of us.

once again, to make it clear - i'm not going on about this specific occasion as i've said before, scorpion won't cock up again after this experience, but he also sympathised with the farmers position and he didn't slag the guy off for having the right to keep his PRIVATE PROPERTY PRIVATE - whereas you and george think you have the right to access his land.

i was JOKING MATE!!!
obviously i wouldnt have done that lol.

EDIT: i also said that persoanlly i wouldve carried on down the narrow track as it would be more fun than turning around.
so thats what i wouldve done regardless of my comment about doing a dougnut on his lawn! lol. i didnt mean it mate lol.

[logey79]

fair enough, maybe i did misread your comments then...with georges, its possible that he means 100 different things in one post!

as long as people realise that when greenlaning its THEIR responsibility to get the right lanes and stay off private property. i understand that mistakes get made and that the attitude of landowners can make a situation worse. but, at the end of the day, this is our hobby, and its in our hands how much good/bad press we give ourselves with our actions.

as it stands at the moment i dont think any of us will be green laning in 5 years time the way support for the anti mob is growing. and in 10 years it'll probably be banned from private properties allowing it too in the name of the environment.

this is why i've bit on this.

[goodcat]

fair enough, maybe i did misread your comments then...with georges, its possible that he means 100 different things in one post!

as long as people realise that when greenlaning its THEIR responsibility to get the right lanes and stay off private property. i understand that mistakes get made and that the attitude of landowners can make a situation worse. but, at the end of the day, this is our hobby, and its in our hands how much good/bad press we give ourselves with our actions.
this is why i've bit on this.

couldnt agree more mate.
Jay

[Apache]

as it stands at the moment i dont think any of us will be green laning in 5 years time the way support for the anti mob is growing. and in 10 years it'll probably be banned from private properties allowing it too in the name of the environment.

Been saying this for a little while. The day is coming.

Someone posted a thread about a P&P site in Wales being threatened with closure due to local pressure, and there was a story about one of the bigger ones closing in TOR this month. Lanes are being TRO'd left right and centre, and tax on 4x4s is going through the roof. 'They' dont want us, and 'they' will get their way sooner or later.

[MattF]

with georges, its possible that he means 100 different things in one post!

this is why i've bit on this.

I know what you mean. Personally, the reason it galls me so much is not the specific scenario or such, but rather the attitude which a certain person seems to think is perfectly acceptable. (I'm refraining from calling him a nob this time). The fact that he doesn't seem to be a true minority is where the problem really kicks in.

In this specific scenario, i.e: greenlaning, they complain about the bobblehats, yet it's no sodding wonder they get away with complaining like they do. People with that attitude may just as well chuck petrol on the T.H's arguments, for they are definitely giving them plenty of fuel.

[logey79]

Been saying this for a little while. The day is coming.

i know. i don't normally respond to anything in a very serious manner ( a few of you may have noticed), but this is affecting all of us in more increasing measures each year. just take a look at the number of green lane partial and complete closures in the past year alone. anyway, i've prattled on like an old tart about this for too long now so i'll leave it alone and let that genuine old tart mattf take over from me.

[goodcat]

I know what you mean. Personally, the reason it galls me so much is not the specific scenario or such, but rather the attitude which a certain person seems to think is perfectly acceptable. (I'm refraining from calling him a nob this time). The fact that he doesn't seem to be a true minority is where the problem really kicks in.

In this specific scenario, i.e: greenlaning, they complain about the bobblehats, yet it's no sodding wonder they get away with complaining like they do. People with that attitude may just as well chuck petrol on the T.H's arguments, for they are definitely giving them plenty of fuel.

are you referring to me Matt?
do i have to explain all this again!?

[MattF]

anyway, i've prattled on like an old tart about this for too long now so i'll leave it alone and let that genuine old tart mattf take over from me.

Keep going. You're making a fine job of it so far. I'm impressed.

[MattF]

are you referring to me Matt?

Nope.

[logey79]

Personally, the reason it galls me so much is not the specific scenario or such, but rather the attitude which a certain person seems to think is perfectly acceptable.

this is also the point i was trying to get accross that while it happened, scoprion and friends are not the ones who pi55ed me off in this thread.

[24Seven]

i know me for one would drive up it if not marked up has private
if ya want resect get a sign
there will allways be the odd t1t head but a saign stops us that do care mate
not careing to let us know its private is the start of the whole problem

You don't have to put up a sign, it's an offence to drive anywhere where you don't have a right to be and it's up to you prove you can be there legally.

Section 34 of the Road Traffic Act

also then have a read of

Section 59 of Police Reform Act

So S34 + likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public = a S59 offence which could mean seizing your motor vehicle or getting a warning of such.

This is not a holier than thou post by the way, not saying I have never strayed by mistake

[logey79]

Keep going. You're making a fine job of it so far. I'm impressed.

condescending prick. oops, can't call you a prick. actually, the mods may tolerate you being called one without the poost being removed!!!

[BioHazard]

The reason i posted the xmas thread is that it show the damage loons can do in a very small area and they got away with it ,

We are lucky in Wilts that we have so many routes still open and all over the plain it spates DO NOT STRAY OFF THE ROUTE.

Also the proactive use by responceable off roaders is meaning we are getting some closures overturned now .

[MattF]

condescending prick. oops, can't call you a prick. actually, the mods may tolerate you being called one without the poost being removed!!!

There was not a condescending tone or note of sarcasm in that post. Honest.


p.s: They tolerate me being called anything. Have a blast.