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  • adventures with torsion bars

    OK, so phsyc'd my self into swapping the bars over this morning at work, not actually while at work..

    so when i got home this afternoon i got cracking. Heres the new bars..



    Got the truck up in the air, passenger wheel off. Started winding the adjuster out..after about 5mins, realised i was tightening..DOH so off we go in the other direction. Dont know if my adjusters are aftermarket, but they seemed too long..??



    After much winding to get the nut off the adjuster it was free. I then moved to the front of the bar and removed the anchor point also (x2 17mm nut & bolt). A bit off twisting and sliding and the bar assembly was off.

    adjuster end..



    anchor end..



    Theres a cut out, or 'missing tooth' on the torsion bars to locate the bar in the anchor socket..i dont know if this is the norm, but the new bars didnt have this. Fix?? ..a bit of dentistry with the grinder, i ground down one of the splines and it slid in nice an sweet.

    Getting the assembly back in was the trickiest part, theres a small bash/crud guard by the adjuster..i bent this down slightly to allow more room for tweaking. Basically get the anchor point back onto 1 bolt (this one cant be removed unless you strip the damper) then pivot up onto the other bolt. Seat the adjuster in its cradle with copious amounts of grease put back the adjuster rod. I took around 20mm off mine which made life a lot easier as i could get a ratchet spanner over for speedy adjustment.



    Round the the drivers side and my heart sank..its much more confined, thought i was going to struggle but it was actually easier 2nd time round. The tricky bits were releasing the adjuster..due to the handbrake assembly, leave the handbrake off for more room. The back nut on the anchor point was also tricky, had to use a knuckle joint and extension bar but just about got in there, i undid the bolt that retains the brake pipes to give a little more room. Also theres a heat shield protecting brake pipes from thr exhaust, i removed this also to allow easier removal of the torsion bar.

    After that it was same method as the first, cut the new groove, trimmed the bolt and re-fit. Didnt take anymore pics, i was mingin by now and not wanting to get my new phone all crappy.

    So that was that..took me about 4hrs in all..as mentioned, and as with most jobs, now its done it will be a lot quicker if you have to do it again.

    Results..

    might have set it too high initially..?? But im pleased, its not anywhere near as 'soggy' as it was and i am gonna lift the rear eventually so will most likely leave it as is..at least it doesnt look like its sniffing the road anymore..

    would like some opinions on the driveshaft angle and potential wear on the CV's





    couple of finished shots
    Attached Files

  • #2
    Opinions, hmm, well am no info master but mine is lifted and it bu*g*redme cv joint and half shaft so no playing for me this weekend. prob be fine if your not doing off roading but if your going off road get a set o manual hubs before you break anything like i should have done. someone will be along soon wi better info and for to have a pop at my info LOL

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    • #3
      Further to the last post, if you're going to be offroading you'll probably be wise to fit longer shocks too as with that front lift, the OEMs are probably close to topping out, though if you leave your bump stops alone, they'll probably be OK.

      The shaft angles dont look as extreme as some I've seen, though manual hubs are a good idea anyway. Before I fitted mine, I was getting through several CV boots a year.
      Cutting steps in the roof of the world

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      • #4
        thanks for that..

        shocks are next on the list, just deciding what to do on the rear, LC springs or just +2" Surf springs Anyone tried fittin LC rear shocks to match the springs..?? Only ask as i was looking at the images of both and there didnt seem to be much different other than the length obviously.

        One more pester..

        What can be done to tidy the front up..?? On the list for a bash plate off Mr.Stein, but whats best to fill in the sides..pair of spots..??

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        • #5
          I got a Stein bashplate which is lovely, but I'm wanting a tubular bumper like this.



          As Mark is so far away, I was thinking of mocking something up in plastic waste pipe to get the dimensions and angles, and then sending that down to him...
          Cutting steps in the roof of the world

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          • #6
            thats a good idea..

            if you computer(ish) literate, give google sketch up a go..i model'd my exhaust for the cabby and sent it off to a company to be fabricated.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Apache View Post
              I got a Stein bashplate which is lovely, but I'm wanting a tubular bumper like this.



              As Mark is so far away, I was thinking of mocking something up in plastic waste pipe to get the dimensions and angles, and then sending that down to him...
              Hi Mate, If you go onto Elite4x4 and PM Wayne (MTM) he makes tubular bumpers like that, Dont know where your based but he's down cornwall way.
              Now I Have Grown Up, I Need A Grown Up Tonker Toy!

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              • #8
                Cheers, but Cornwall is further than Mark's base.

                It'll have to wait for a bit anyway cos I spent all my PayPal money on a second set of wheels!
                Cutting steps in the roof of the world

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the write up, maybe a mod can add it to the tech section as a sticky, will be useful for others.
                  Alan

                  yoshie "Didn't know they had a pill for laziness, anyway get well soon."

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                  • #10
                    cheers,

                    had round 2 on Sun. Thge previous owner has had speaker pods made for the front doors. Sick of looking at the holes i decided to mooch to halfruads an see what they had. Managed to get myself a £180 pair of infinity's for £39.99..bonus.

                    Went to fit the speakers and they wre a little bit too big, so it was door cards off to open the hole a little. Both sides done and time to fire it up..although there were wires in the doors for speakers, somewhere down the line they had been cut (probably when removing the previous install).

                    Sooo..tried to pull out the head unit..bolted in..!! Had to disassemble half the dash to get to the back of the headunit, all sorted, job done. Just took nearer 4hrs as opposed to the 1/2hr i was expecting..lol

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                    • #11
                      I've bought a pair of the ironman bars from the same seller as you. Was wondering about the drivers side / near side thing. I've just emailed ironman asking them.

                      Basically as they came from the US is the the drivers side marked bar for the left hand drive 4runner, or for the australian right hand drive surf ?

                      I'm a bit confused here.

                      Rob.

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                      • #12
                        lol..never even crossed my mind that..

                        Ive had no ill effects from fitting, probably the wrong way though.

                        Theres a good chance ill be swapping back to the stock rods anyways as they too stiff for playing off road.

                        Ideal if you use the truck as a daily driver, the stiffer set-up reduces body roll for a more stable ride, especially with the lift..boneshaker on the tracks tho

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                        • #13
                          Before you take them out make sure your upper arms are not sitting on their bumpstops - I recall you saying they were wound up to match a rear lift ?

                          My surf was horrible with the bars wound up 2" on the front. Reason being there was hardly any drop on the front suspension. I've bought 1" bj spacers to give some movement there. Just need to get them fitted.

                          Rob.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wishbone View Post
                            I've bought a pair of the ironman bars from the same seller as you. Was wondering about the drivers side / near side thing. I've just emailed ironman asking them.

                            Basically as they came from the US is the the drivers side marked bar for the left hand drive 4runner, or for the australian right hand drive surf ?

                            I'm a bit confused here.

                            Rob.
                            Sitting in your car, looking forward, the near side is always on the left. It doesn't matter what country you are in or what side of the car the steering wheel is on.

                            Nearside and Offside was originally used to refer to the right and left hand sides of animals.
                            Do you know that, with a 50 character limit, it's

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Albannach View Post
                              Sitting in your car, looking forward, the near side is always on the left. It doesn't matter what country you are in or what side of the car the steering wheel is on.

                              Nearside and Offside was originally used to refer to the right and left hand sides of animals.
                              This is absolutely correct, but as an issue and a point for confusion it wont go away. Theres too many dictionaries and Thesarus and forums and god knows what else telling people that nearside is "near the kerb" which of course its not if your in France or the US.
                              I personally believe that road vehicles should adopt the same protocol as ships and aircraft and go for port and starboard

                              Bogus
                              Сви можемо

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