why is vista crap ??

[Sancho]

but WHY is it not so good,and why is it crap ?? specifics please !!

It's not actually crap, other than having the normal teething troubles. It's more that Microsoft again released something that didn't work properly and everyone bought it. I think it's more a case of people getting upset about being fooled again.

In terms of why it's crap compared to OSX, I can only say that a Kia Elan is not the same as a Lotus Elan.

[gwh200]

It's not actually crap, other than having the normal teething troubles. It's more that Microsoft again released something that didn't work properly and everyone bought it. I think it's more a case of people getting upset about being fooled again.

In terms of why it's crap compared to OSX, I can only say that a Kia Elan is not the same as a Lotus Elan.

that makes sense !!

i have had no issues with it,probably because im ignorant to the socio/political issues surrounding it. i needed a new laptop,this was there, at the right price and its been fine.as to its "issues" i suppose ignorance (on my part) is bliss....apparently !

[AndyLala]

Now don't get me wrong... I do think Vista is crap...
But... two points...

It keeps me in a job...
It helps me to look forward to what might come...

Couple of interesting things about Vista...
Widgets, and Sideshow... two very interesting and cool things...
Take the important parts of what you want to do, and move that away to a more portable format. Say your mobile for example, with your current appointments and a scratch pad to make notes...

Network Access Protection, and User Account Control... great ways of bringing you onto the network, and protecting you from the network and everyone else from you... Not interested in how it works, just glad it does.

Another 'Swan' point, gliding across the water while the feet go 15 to the dozen.

Last piece of the puzzle, things like Surface... this is so cool... take the computer interface away from the computer... let me use my hands to manipulate the data. (Perceptive Pixel do it better.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysEVYwa-vHM)

Use your Wii remote as your PC remote... this is really cool... http://on10.net/blogs/laura/Wii-on-PC/ opens up the computer to people who couldn't use it before... Mix this with Dragon Naturally speaking or Jaws... and you don't actually have to touch the computer anymore.

Now, why did I care what my compute device (or O/S) was... I just wanted to get that job done...

[MattF]

It's not actually crap, other than having the normal teething troubles. It's more that Microsoft again released something that didn't work properly and everyone bought it. I think it's more a case of people getting upset about being fooled again.

No M$ operating system has ever worked correctly.

Graham, if you're happy running some overpriced sh!te that looks good and is simple to setup and use, break a leg mate. However, it's no use asking regarding code level type problems as to exactly why it's crap. It's closed source. Only M$ knows that, (not that they truly will know, otherwise they wouldn't keeping making the same sh!te). It's eye candy. It does the general things required by most people. That doesn't mean that it does any of them well.

There are far better operating systems and utilities out there in every regard. If you don't wish to learn the basics of a new system, however, stick with Win and use it. If you ever want a machine to do as you wish rather than what it says you want, however, you'll find far better alternatives.

[GRASSMAN]

All the new PC's at work are specified that they MUST have XP installed.
Vista, I'm told is untidy, and does not put files away after use, that's
why it takes 1Gig to run it. The more you use it the slower it gets, to speed it up ,shut it down and restart it, as this forces it to "tidy up" and put away the files it does not require.

[supersurf]

i have vista on all 3 of my new computers,
i just could not get used to it to start with as everything is in different places and set up weird,
but now that i have had it for 6 months it seems great,
my old xp computers would let me by accident delete stuff,
the vista always asks you for permission first to do anything which is good for me,
as when slightly drunk i have on accasion ive hit the wrong button and deleted days worth of work,
but now i dont lose any data so i think its great,

[bu5hwack3r]

All the new PC's at work are specified that they MUST have XP installed.
Vista, I'm told is untidy, and does not put files away after use, that's
why it takes 1Gig to run it. The more you use it the slower it gets, to speed it up ,shut it down and restart it, as this forces it to "tidy up" and put away the files it does not require.

Thereby lies half the problem, vista takes more memory to run than xp, so its advisable to upgrade RAM and possibly hard drive before installing it. If you use memory intensive applications simultaneously, such as photoshop etc, the system will inevitably slow down if memory insufficient. I have vista on a desktop pc, and OS X Leopard on a mac laptop. There really is no comparison, the mac software is far superior, easier to use, stable and logical. MS have tried to ape the mac OS with things like Sidebar, which again uses more memory, and just doesn't work as smoothly as OS X. I now have boot camp on the mac, with the mac hard drive partitioned to load either OS X or Windows XP. The desktop rarely gets turned on....

[jmc]

After using it at work for a few months now and getting used to it, I don't find it too bad.

My main issues are that the EULA basically entitles Microsoft to do what they want to your PC at any time, and the lack of software and driver support that is still a problem so long after its release. That and the daft spec it needs to run on even basic visual settings...

Even Microsoft don't have a tool for administering Exchange servers from Vista. I don't know how they expect it to be adopted on a large scale when even IT pros can't use it to do day to day tasks!

I switched to linux at home and use Ubuntu for 99% of the time and am much happier with it.

[da SLUG man]

My laptop get very hot, runs slow and then stops working... if i watch full screen video it tells me the display has stopped responding....


dunno if it's the laptop, or Vista??

i've got a £1600 Mac the shed, but i couldn't make head nor tale of it and it's got snails living in it now!


i just got an IPhone 3G... it has LOTS of very average features!

[Apache]

but this is the equivalent of apache telling us a certain random wave generator is crap

Actually, the current crop of random wave generators are generally very good. Bugs all worked out now. Ne'er a bad one amongst them.

Now Orgone Accumulators, there hasn't been a good one since Hawkwind's. There's a lot of cheap chinese ones on the market - they're crap.

[da SLUG man]

Now Orgone Accumulators, there hasn't been a good one since Hawkwind's. There's a lot of cheap chinese ones on the market - they're crap.

is it a SILVER MACHINE??

[Apache]

I'm absolutely sure Vista is great for the average (95%) home user who plays the odd game, writes email and surfs.

What you have here Gra is a bunch of nerds who expect an OS targetted at that 95% to do allsorts of weird cr@p that no-one in their right mind would want to do

I used to use Solaris years ago, to run a data gatherer at pretty high data rates, and uninterrupted. Windows couldn't do it properly, hence the use of Solaris. It was great for that, but it was a BIG PITA to use, difficult to learn to use, and when it threw a wobbler, nigh on impossible for mere mortals to sort out. Would I use it at home? Would I hell!

I've always used Windows of some description at home because it does what I need, doesn't demand that I do software as a hobby, and 99.9% of the time 'just works'. That is Microsoft's market, and they do that bit well from what I can see.

I like the look of MACs (aesthetically speaking) but think the OS is a bit too Solaris GUI like for comfort Whoever heard of dragging a drive to the trash to eject a CD?! Thats cr@p!

I expect when we upgrade our laptop this christmas, we'll find Vista does everything we want just fine.

[Apache]

vista takes more memory to run than xp.

So buy more RAM. Buy 5Gb!!! Its cheap as chips!

Its a bit like buying a new car and saying "this car is shit, there's nowhere near enough space to put the coal! I'm not using that fancy new petrol stuff!!!"

[gwh200]

Actually, the current crop of random wave generators are generally very good. Bugs all worked out now. Ne'er a bad one amongst them.

Now Orgone Accumulators, there hasn't been a good one since Hawkwind's. There's a lot of cheap chinese ones on the market - they're crap.

i have (again) absolutely no idea what you are talking about...again, but thats cos you are top of your game in electricals, i dont need to know how it works,why it works or its shortcomings,just that it will work when i press the on button.

I'm absolutely sure Vista is great for the average (95%) home user who plays the odd game, writes email and surfs.

What you have here Gra is a bunch of nerds who expect an OS targetted at that 95% to do allsorts of weird cr@p that no-one in their right mind would want to do

I used to use Solaris years ago, to run a data gatherer at pretty high data rates, and uninterrupted. Windows couldn't do it properly, hence the use of Solaris. It was great for that, but it was a BIG PITA to use, difficult to learn to use, and when it threw a wobbler, nigh on impossible for mere mortals to sort out. Would I use it at home? Would I hell!

I've always used Windows of some description at home because it does what I need, doesn't demand that I do software as a hobby, and 99.9% of the time 'just works'. That is Microsoft's market, and they do that bit well from what I can see.

I like the look of MACs (aesthetically speaking) but think the OS is a bit too Solaris GUI like for comfort Whoever heard of dragging a drive to the trash to eject a CD?! Thats cr@p!

I expect when we upgrade our laptop this christmas, we'll find Vista does everything we want just fine.

thats what i wanted to hear !!

[Gizmo]

As alrready stated, Vista is an interim solution rushed out to take you forward in Operating Systems.

The main problem I have with Vista is the fact that it is resource hungry (ie you need minimum 1GB to run, preferably 2GB to do anything special, graphics cards should really be high spec (NVIDIA or more) with their own processing chips to alleviate that of the processor on the machine)

All the shipping blurb was about displaying the Aero display (which other manufacturers had years ago - ie revolving 3D windows) and as stated this only available on higher OS versions (if remember correctly) which as stated needs dedicated graphics cards which large processor and memory to utilise it.

Alright you can turn it off, but nearly every application you install or run is asked for clearance which is annoying and defeats the object of building in enhanced security into the OS in the first place.