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  • Classic - Cars Petition - Gov Response.

    just got this mail as a result of signing the petition...

    My Comment

    We have considered the response, and passed the buck to the local authorities, who are authorised to do their own thing... Ken Livingstone, eat sh1t and d1e. London Low Emissions Zone - currently for over 12 tonnes, but soon to apply to everything over 1.25 tonnes. Unless you are older than 1973... Glad I have little family left in the smoke, not that I speak to them anyway. That'd be the last nail in the coffin, even tourists couldn't afford to get bused in... Nobody could afford to deliver any goods in our out... and our food, and merchandise will continue to go through the roof. Muppets! Note that "no longer under immediate consideration", but once the dust settles, no doubt it'll rear its ugly head, or they'll sneak it in...

    Once again our freedom of choice to live the lives we have chosen, in the way that we have chosen, is under threat. We are being driven by deluded but wealthy lobbyists, who can argue the toss for a deranged argument, and the governemnt fall for it everytime. Jeez, I though they were there to do the electorates bidding...? How naive is that?

    I am steaming - but I thank you for reading this far...

    Quote - from http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15326.asp

    Thank you for taking the time to register your views about classic cars on the Downing Street website.
    There is currently no proposal either at EU or domestic level to ban cars over a certain age.
    Clearly, vehicle emissions are a concern not just from a local air quality perspective but, increasingly, due to their contribution to climate change. Therefore, the European Commission has proposed setting CO2 targets for car manufacturers, but these would only affect new cars. Also, the targets would be based on averages rather than enforced limits or bans.
    There is also no EU or UK policy to provide incentives for scrapping old vehicles. A programme of incentives to phase out the most polluting vehicles was considered as part of the national Air Quality Strategy Review (June 2007). Two scenarios were modelled: the first considered incentives for the scrapping of all cars that were not compliant with the Euro 1 standard, while the second considered Euro 1 standard cars as well as all the pre-Euro cars. <Euro1 or Euro1 and everything else - so buggered if you do, and buggered if you don't> This analysis suggested that both scenarios would result in a large net cost to society and represented poor value for money, mainly due to the high cost of useful resources being destroyed (i.e. roadworthy cars being scrapped). This could also involve negative environmental effects, as the petition outlines. As a result, the Air Quality Strategy classified this measure as 'no longer under immediate consideration', which remains true today.
    Local authorities are able to develop, implement and manage their own local air quality management schemes, allowing them to focus measures on priorities in their area. The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) operating in London is a prominent example. It currently applies to lorries over 12 tonnes, but will eventually apply to lighter vehicles such as large vans. However, cars, motorcycles and small vans (below 1.205 tonnes in unladen weight) are not affected. For the vehicles that are included, there is an exemption for 'historic vehicles' built before 1st January 1973.

  • #2
    Currently, the new Euro1 emmissions regulation is one of the reasons you can't drive a brand new HZJ-78 in europe, or at least get it registered...

    Having said that, not sure how those guys that did the www.londontobejing.com got their brand new Troopie registered... i must try and drag out his email address...

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    • #3
      Sorry, I think I've missed the point here.

      You signed a petition that said not to ban old cars and the reply was that they don't think it would be a good idea and they have no intention to. What's bad about that?

      As for the LEZ, I do wish people would stop getting worked up about that. It doesn't apply to cars. There is no more to say about that. It just doesn't apply. End of. New coaches, buses and trucks meet the emissions standards so there is no issue.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sancho View Post
        Sorry, I think I've missed the point here.

        You signed a petition that said not to ban old cars and the reply was that they don't think it would be a good idea and they have no intention to. What's bad about that?

        As for the LEZ, I do wish people would stop getting worked up about that. It doesn't apply to cars. There is no more to say about that. It just doesn't apply. End of. New coaches, buses and trucks meet the emissions standards so there is no issue.
        It seems to apply to my car.. in the next round anyway. Not that it make much odds - you wont catch me in that London...
        it's in me shed, mate.

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        • #5
          how come charlie,going to fast ??
          Non intercooled nothing.

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          • #6
            DVLA have it down as a commercial vehicle or something?

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            • #7
              All they have said is that banning old cars is on hold currently... is that a win... I don't think so... open for consideration at a later date.

              The LEZ was planned to control all vehicles over 1.25 tonnes unladen weight eventually...

              As local authorities can do what they like, everyone is waiting to see the response to Ken Livingstones rantings... once it is deemed succesful (read brings cash in), all the other local authorities will consider it...

              Also, main government has washed their hands of it... and passed the buck...

              So we being limited on the green lanes, and soon we will be restricted on the roads too. I do plan on keeping my truck for quite a while yet... and these things tend to happen rather quickly by comparison.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sancho View Post
                DVLA have it down as a commercial vehicle or something?
                nope, PLG or something. I only checked out of mild curiosity and I'm not bothered enough to try and find out why, but it does apply to some of us.
                it's in me shed, mate.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sancho View Post
                  Sorry, I think I've missed the point here.

                  You signed a petition that said not to ban old cars and the reply was that they don't think it would be a good idea and they have no intention to. What's bad about that?

                  As for the LEZ, I do wish people would stop getting worked up about that. It doesn't apply to cars. There is no more to say about that. It just doesn't apply. End of. New coaches, buses and trucks meet the emissions standards so there is no issue.


                  I agree - you HAVE missed the point !

                  This is about Government POLICY which can change overnight (or even faster if they feel the need)

                  Even worse, the weasel words they've carefully used indicate to the old and wise (and the young, stupid and cynical) that in the future, should they be accused of a U turn, they can say - "At no point did we say that these measures were ruled out"

                  PS
                  Forgot to say that they've been rather cunning with devolving power to local authorities - if Red Ken decides to ban every private vehicle that has emissions greater than 0.007 or whatever then the GOVERNMENT is not to blame !

                  Last edited by Predictable Bob; 24 April 2008, 11:45.
                  Life is too important to take seriously !

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                  • #10
                    In that case, maybe I should start a petition that says I object to any plans for compulsory boiling of new born babies on Thursdays. Then when I get a response from the Government that says 'we have absolutely no intention of ever bringing that policy in you lunatic' I will start a thread on here about how disgusted I am that they haven't said it will never happen, just that they have no intention of ever doing it.

                    If there's one thing I dislike about this country its the relentless gloominess of everyone. I have no idea why the English (especially) are hell-bent on being miserable the whole time.

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                    • #11


                      It's nothing to do with the English or being gloomy ........ it's just that we're becoming acclimatised to being shafted by our wonderful Socialist Government !

                      Life is too important to take seriously !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sancho View Post
                        If there's one thing I dislike about this country its the relentless gloominess of everyone. I have no idea why the English (especially) are hell-bent on being miserable the whole time.
                        Must admit, I do have to side with you on that point.

                        Plus, I'm pre '73, so I'd be exempt anyhow.

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                        • #13


                          errrr - if you're going to adopt that attitude I think you should immediately relinquish the "Old grumpy boll0cks" tag !

                          Life is too important to take seriously !

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Predictable Bob View Post


                            errrr - if you're going to adopt that attitude I think you should immediately relinquish the "Old grumpy boll0cks" tag !

                            Oh hell, I never said I wasn't a people weary grump. I am, however, ironically enough, one of the least panicky, worry about nothing type people one might ever hope, (dare?), to meet. Everything usually has a plus side in some way or form, and if not, then just dig your heels in and say b@lls to it anyhow. It's very rare that I ever worry.

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                            • #15


                              You and me both Matt - worrying is pointless

                              In the current climate I'm finding it hard to tell the difference between a pessimist and a realist but I can't be arsed to worry about it !

                              Life is too important to take seriously !

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