Definite IOTW... Me :(

[jax]

OK, I am posting this from a farmer's point of view.

Just because a field looks rough, doesn't have a gate and lies in water DOES NOT mean it's fair game. Some of my fields are like that as I am in a countryside scheme to preserve wildlife and wetlands. The fields have to be left uncultivated for a specified time. Farmers are paid to keep fields like this and could easily lose thousands of pounds if people skid about in trucks and leave muddy tracks and deep holes. Twenty minutes pleasure for someone turns into 2 days work for the farmer to get the land back to normal. I know this from bitter experience. Would they like it if I took a detour over their nice lawn on my way to the shops?

I don't want to sound obnoxious but I feel it has to be said.

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Jacqueline

[Karma Supra]

I am sure if it was deliberately set aside it would have had some for of rudimentry fence or at least a keep out or private sign. If there had been any indication of that I'd have steered clear.

If it bothered anyone I'm sure they would have called me.. I left my number on the truck... - and the ground was already churned up as there had been some kind of manhole maintenance there so my presence made absolutely no difference to the lnd at all. We are not talking an unouched nature reserve here..

No point in arguing the fact. I respect property and where I go, I made this call, without being there people don't know the in and outs. The chap that helped me out was a local farmer, he didn't see an issue.

As I said, I get people up my drive, they are not meant to be there but the private sign blew down... untill it is replaced I have no right to complain if people go up there, -there is nothing to tell them otherwise....

If you disagree so be it. Pm me

[jax]

HI, my comments were not directed at Karma Supra, they were meant to be a generalization of the hassle that farmer's have to deal with.


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Jacqueline

[Karma Supra]

No worries I'd be ####ed off too if someone blatantly intruding or wrecked useful land

[Woodzie]

Oh and karma supra .....when i have fixed my truck ......fancy a trip around the plains guided by me .........i'll put a small run together but expect to get stuck

[nero279]

You're on a losing streak with comments like the above mate, you have no legal right to go there just because there are no signs does not mean you are allowed. To be quite frank pictures like that are what will get byways reclassified (closed), as the antis will use them to 'prove' the damage 4x4's do to lanes. You had some good advice on this thread and offers of help, people tried not to make an issue of the fact that what you did was stupid, reckless, and illegal. When someone chose to point it out you objected. Since then every post by anyone else has been to support the fact that you were there illegally, the potential consequences of which could be very damaging to all 4x4s, not just offroading.

How many people drove past and saw your truck stuck up to your belly pan in mud and now associate 4x4s with the damage that was already there before you went?

Do yourself a favour and find out where you can and can't legally drive. Find out where your local pay and play sites or club sites are and go to them when they're open. Otherwise stick to public roads and Byways Open to All Traffic (BOATs), as they are the only places you can legally drive. Find your local council's rights of way office phone number or point me in the direction of your council website and i'll take the time to find it for you. Phone them and make sure the byways you want to drive are still BOATs and that there are no Traffic Restriction Orders on them.

Take responsibility for your own stupidity or indeed ignorance if it is out of ignorance rather than stupidity that you drove there.

[gwh200]

have to agree with nero,but...

i think its a fair bet that karma supra wont attempt any illicit off roading again

[Woodzie]

have to agree with nero,but...

i think its a fair bet that karma supra wont attempt any illicit off roading again

Hey gwh fancy another trip around the plain escorting the supra

[Sancho]

Absolutely, I think getting stuck is god's way of saying not to do that again

[BUSHWHACKER]

Nero, you been wearing sensible shoes today?

[gwh200]

Hey gwh fancy another trip around the plain escorting the supra

you have pm,

and yes as a away of serving some pennance karma supra should be made to go to the plains and be muddied!!

[That Ruddy Squirrel]

you have pm,

and yes as a away of serving some pennance karma supra should be made to go to the plains and be muddied!!

and for the urine extraction Meooo should also go

[gwh200]

in fact.......................ayb e all iotw/ioty nominees should be made to attend !!

[Woodzie]

Yoshie may find that expensive

[nero279]

Nero, you been wearing sensible shoes today?

It recently dawned on me what a sensitive issue this is, and that one persons actions could have catastrophic consequences for offroaders nationwide.