First off road trip advise please.

[nero279]

Try these guys http://www.liftingequipmentsupplies.co.uk/ or search for somewhere closer on yell.com use 'lifting gear' in the product/service box.

[Apache]

Straps are the cheaper option and work well but if you have the cash go for a kinetic tow rope this is like a bungie rope it means you can pull away faster and the rope will take the strain slower meaning more power to pull out a stuck motor and with alot less chance of breaking something or it snapping

Wouldn't it actually be more likely to break something? A normal strap would put energy into the tow point fairly evenly, a kinetic strap peaks the energy. OK I guess for specially built tow points, but I wonder about the standard tow points.

I'd have thought a beginner would be better off with a normal strap, and there's plenty of good value ones on eBay if you aint gonna get stuck up to the axles in clay.

[Apache]

Something like this, I have got 10 tonne rated 4m and a 8m strap plus 2 4.25t bow shackles.

Thats the place I got my straps and shackles from.

[kiowa]

Wouldn't it actually be more likely to break something? A normal strap would put energy into the tow point fairly evenly, a kinetic strap peaks the energy. OK I guess for specially built tow points, but I wonder about the standard tow points.

I'd have thought a beginner would be better off with a normal strap, and there's plenty of good value ones on eBay if you aint gonna get stuck up to the axles in clay.

Standard tow points are not made to be used for recovery off road this is why accidents are happening and will continue to happen the same as i wouldnt use nicker elastic to go bugie jumping with it is not up to the job your asking it to do.So no i wouldnt use a kinetic rope with standard recovery points or straps or any thing else untill they have been changed to do the job safely

[Apache]

And as it's his first go, I doubt he'll have welded on new recovery points.

The originals are fine if you dont go crackers and belt off at 40mph with a kinetic strap attached to a Defender 130 in 2ft of Plains clay.

[kiowa]

It's my opinion and i'm going to have it

[24Seven]

Wouldn't it actually be more likely to break something? A normal strap would put energy into the tow point fairly evenly, a kinetic strap peaks the energy. OK I guess for specially built tow points, but I wonder about the standard tow points.

I'd have thought a beginner would be better off with a normal strap, and there's plenty of good value ones on eBay if you aint gonna get stuck up to the axles in clay.

In past when someone is really stuck, we have used two trucks to pull them out, the tow truck also being pulled by another, this has worked when one is not enough and I think it's safer

[kiowa]

ow look it's a band wagon with everyone jumping on it

[24Seven]

Found the vid now that put me off the Kinetic Rope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg

[gwh200]

ah but where are the recovery points on the radio flyer cart ??

[Apache]

It's my opinion and i'm going to have it

Good for you!

Wasn't saying I disagree, just dont think kinetic is the way to go for a complete beginner.

I reckon if you take a beginner somewhere where they'll NEED a kinetic strap, you run the risk of putting them off the sport. It's his daily driver, so I doubt he'll wanna do stuff which could result in damage anyway...

[gwh200]

if capatain chaos can do that run over cader idris and sarn helen steps etc,in a standard surf,i reckon he is going to be all right !!

[Apache]

Found the vid now that put me off the Kinetic Rope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg

Precisely. There's no way on earth he was gonna move that Defender!!! That could have been REALLY nasty!

[gwh200]

Precisely. There's no way on earth he was gonna move that Defender!!! That could have been REALLY nasty!

forgot to add dont ask chaos for directions though !!

[nero279]

Found the vid now that put me off the Kinetic Rope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg

My 3 tips for the day.

There's dangers involved in any recovery.

It's about being sensible, if it feels like you're pulling too hard or too fast, you probably are. Don't be afraid to ask the guy recovering you to calm down or let someone else do it, if you're the one being recovered.

A 50mm towball isn't a recovery point.

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And a few videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFX4BriYj2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYA2ziltkk

not sure how genuine this, but it's funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi0t-I9ugIs

and my favourite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi0t-I9ugIs

I couldn't find the one of someone pulling the front end off a shogun at devils pit.