Diesel Prices (Again)

[Silversurfer]

As Kazam401 said....I gota get out of this place (i feel a song coming on)....taxes suck but we all have to pay some and we do get some bits back in NHS, police, refuse collection etc. These we dont mind its the stinger taxes that we get PO'd about like fuel.
I Spent 6 months in Australia and would love to go back to live. their way of live and their taxes are great compared to ours. I an get in as skilled as can my g/f but due to kids its stops us from going. 1 day may be we will get there when the kids are self suficiant untill then its going to have to be scrimp and save and veg oil lol
If the forum had a fuel price protest i would gladly support it. Aussie fuel is about 1/3 the price of ours. USA is also similar.

I would also happily support a protest. Can't understand why it hasn't started already with the election just around the corner there will never be a better time.

[dirtydog]

if you know of any I will go... might just do one on my own

[kitesurf_phil]

There is no point in protesting. It's the British way. We can turn out in our thousands to wish Big Ears and Horse Face a long and happy marriage. We can moan and groan down the pub and at the bus stop (because that is where we are all going to be if we don't speak up). We can allow our employers to treat us the same as they did when there were 3 million unemployed and think ourselves lucky we have a job, "Cor blimey guvnor. Bless you Sir. Another 75 hr week, thank you!"

It won't happen I'm afraid. We are just too used to being British Subjects, rather than citizens. It's not for people like us to question what the democratically elected do once they get in power. They know best. That's why we vote for them. Cynical? You bet! Bring on the revolution.

There is probably a Home Office file on me now. I'm gonna be labled as subversive. I'll never find out though. We almost have freedom of information

[Silversurfer]

Just passed a garage tonight with diesel at 93.9p/litre - that is approx £4.27p a gallon - they were talking 2 weeks ago about the £4 gallon might see the end of the government - bl**dy hell it could be the £5 gallon by election day.

[kazam401]

It's getting really out of hand now, but funnily I dont hear any of the parties mentioning it in any of there manifesto's.

I think they are hoping it wont become an issue before the 5th May. But I think more people are clocking it.

Have tried to get more people aware of the taxes we are paying by trying to circulate an email................don't know how far it will go............but i'm sure the men in black are watching me

Just how much more do they think we can take?

Just got my forms off the C&E as far as they are concerned i will only be using a nominal 5 litres a month @ £1.35 additional Tax.................f***'em the robbin git's.

[whitehawk]

I`m not normally political or racist or anything like that but it really is time the public stood up for themseves and through peaceful protest (or otherwise) campaigned to get this country back to what was once known as GREAT Britain.
Great Britain my ar*se!!
I never thought i would be ashamed to be British but until a few years ago i was driving trucks to the middle east and if anyone was in trouble or had problems, it was always a Brit. It`s not nice having krauts, erics and scandinavians laughing at you and saying "You have the British disease - No money and no proper equipment or backup" Having said that, these same people were the ones who would stop and give you a hand, not many other Brits did.
Bring on the revolution, and if there are any organised protests, then count me in.

Ken (Phew! I feel better for that)

[Gizmo]

www.fuelprotest.com
www.fuellobby.co.uk


Here's a breakdown:
For 1 litre of petrol, the petrol companies currently make 3.4p / litre profit.
When you pay 89.9p / litre, 86.5p of that is cost (supply, tax, duty etc).
The supply cost from the refineries currently runs at 19.7p / litre.
So at 0% tax, the cost is 19.7p. At 100% tax, the cost is 39.4p.
At 200% tax, the cost is 59.1p.
At 300% tax, the cost is 78.8p.
At 340% tax, the cost is 86.5p - add on the 3.4p profit margin and there's your 89.9p litre.


Can't even protest on our own streets these days.

New restrictions on protests and demonstrations around Parliament are now law

Anybody thinking of organising or joining a demonstration or protest near Parliament Square in London, and in a zone around 1 kilometre from there i.e. including Victoria Street,Westminster Bridge, Whitehall, Downing Street and Trafalgar Square needs to be aware of the new powers included in the Serious Organised Crime Bill



Thease measures apply to a protest or demonstration consisting of even just one single person !

[Chillitt]

so a person or persons unknown, driving through there skinking the place up using non tax paid veggie oil, but not declaring it a protest until afterwards, wouldn't have broken the law at the time.... exept the c&e regs....

[marky]

The FRENCH & the SPANISH seem to have the right idea but the Complaining BRITISH public dont STAND TOGETHER & fight for their rights.

[da SLUG man]

i went to the protests in park lane when diesel was 62p a litre!


also, saw the HMC&E in oxford services last week dipping tanks....
dipped some gypsies, found red... CLAMPED THEM!!...
as if someone with no fixed address is gonna pay any fine?... and they can't be evicted if they can't move!!

[Gizmo]

Back in June 2004 - Parliamentary Document

Fuel Duty



Lord Berkeley asked Her Majesty's Government:

• Whether they propose to alter the rate of road freight fuel duty to take account of increases in carbon dioxide emissions from road freight and increases in oil prices.
  

Lord Davies of Oldham: My Lords, decisions on fuel duty take into consideration all relevant environmental, social and economic factors. The Chancellor welcomed OPEC's decision to raise production and the fact that some countries will move production up immediately. That is why, as both the Chancellor and the Prime Minister have said, we will not put the stability of the economy and public finances at risk by taking short-term decisions, but will review progress in August.

Lord Berkeley: My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend for that illuminating reply. Is he aware that since 1990 CO2 emissions from road vehicles have risen by 59 per cent? Bearing in mind other comments from my right honourable friend the Prime Minister in the Parliamentary Monitor, where he said,

• "Climate change is probably, in the long term, the single most important issue we face as a global community",
  

will the Government set an example by resisting pressure to reduce duty as a way of encouraging a reduction in consumption?

Lord Davies of Oldham: My Lords, the Government are committed to meeting the Kyoto targets and are using duty differentials to encourage the use of cleaner fuels. That has been part of the policy of duty provision over the past seven years. I hear what my noble friend says about recommending that the Chancellor should increase the duty, but other voices in the House may think differently.

Lord Ezra: My Lords, in the light of the uncertainties of the oil situation, will the Minister indicate whether the Government have in mind an overall strategy for reducing the consumption of petroleum-based fuels in the road transport sector with regularly published, monitored progress reports?

[Silversurfer]

Back in June 2004 - Parliamentary Document

Lord Ezra: My Lords, in the light of the uncertainties of the oil situation, will the Minister indicate whether the Government have in mind an overall strategy for reducing the consumption of petroleum-based fuels in the road transport sector with regularly published, monitored progress reports?

Really good post Gizmo

Re the last paragraph - surely veg oil would be the single most efficiant way of reducing consumption of petroleum based fuels were it not for the short sightedness of the MP's (Mental Pygmies) in Parliament who insist on imposing fuel duty on it then the whole of the road transport industry and 4000 Toyota Surfers would immediately convert to veg oil and thereby reduce dependance on petroleum fuels and cease to be at the mercy of OPEC. Third World countries such as Britain could convert it's agriculture to oil seed production which would enrich the farmers, stop the wasteful sight of set-aside land and save the Fish and Chip industry from having to pay to dispose of waste vegtable oil.
If there are any MP's reading this how about a reply.

[kitesurf_phil]

Really good post Gizmo

Re the last paragraph - surely veg oil would be the single most efficiant way of reducing consumption of petroleum based fuels were it not for the short sightedness of the MP's (Mental Pygmies) in Parliament who insist on imposing fuel duty on it then the whole of the road transport industry and 4000 Toyota Surfers would immediately convert to veg oil and thereby reduce dependance on petroleum fuels and cease to be at the mercy of OPEC. Third World countries such as Britain could convert it's agriculture to oil seed production which would enrich the farmers, stop the wasteful sight of set-aside land and save the Fish and Chip industry from having to pay to dispose of waste vegtable oil.
If there are any MP's reading this how about a reply.

You have to be intelligent to read this forum. Most MPs wouldn't get a job as a Traffic Warden.
The government agencies seem hell bent on ruining British agriculture. I once dreamed of owning/running a 5-10 acre smallholding but such places have been all but legislated out of existance and that's why they are ending up in the hands of the ex city dwelling horsey types.
Please lets grow lupins instead of Oilseed Rape. I don't even suffer with hay fever but the pollen from that stuff plays havoc with my eyes and sinuses.

[Silversurfer]

Please lets grow lupins instead of Oilseed Rape. I don't even suffer with hay fever but the pollen from that stuff plays havoc with my eyes and sinuses.

Don't mind at all whether it's Lupins as long as I can run me Surf on it without being taxed to death.

[sam]

also, saw the HMC&E in oxford services last week dipping tanks....
dipped some gypsies, found red... CLAMPED THEM!!...
as if someone with no fixed address is gonna pay any fine?... and they can't be evicted if they can't move!!

I had that once.... well actually the other way around, the gypsies were dipping tanks but when they found black they just emptied the tank... cant fault the logic.