Tow Straps / Tree Strops

[rodp]

im with u on this i do the same job at our place,the straps u have arent cheap,i know i order ours,i wouldnt trust a cheapo ebay one,infact unless it has it blue tags we cant even use them at work

Any sling that has the label missing or defaced IE no ID number, SWL, safety factor and manufacturers name is a fail, end of story (even if the sling was new). They can be re-labeled but it's not something I like doing and usually lie and say it can't be done

[rodp]

Are you saying he's selling 1tonne straps as 5 tonne straps? Surely that's a serious criminal offence and you should be taking your evidence to the authorities?

A tow strap has no safety factor, 5 ton break is 5 ton break. As to whether the webbing will reach 5 ton would be a matter for trading standards, I can dig my own holes thank you without standing in other folk's
The ones I have listed are 14 ton break when new IE 60mm duplex = 2 ton safe working load (as a sling) x 7 to 1 safety factor = 14 ton break.

[nero279]

Are you saying he's selling 1tonne straps as 5 tonne straps? Surely that's a serious criminal offence and you should be taking your evidence to the authorities?

not exactly, he's mis-representing them, as rod mentioned, they should be rated and sold with the 7:1 safety factor taken into account. IE they should be sold by Safe Working Load, rather than Minimum Break Strain.

By using a red webbing and claiming it to be 5 tonne, i just feel he's misrepresenting it so it appears the same as anyone elses 5 tonne SWL slings, when in actual fact it probably ain't even as good as a reputable sellers 1 tonne SWL sling.

He's actually not breaking the law because he is stating 5 tonne breakstrain and not 5 tonne SWL, but if you didn't know and was a casual buyer just browsing the net, you wouldn't know, and to me it seems these are the people he's marketing to.

[rodp]

Systems slow, not received as yet.

anything yet, sent another one.
Rod

[Albannach]

rodp - Are you saying, in an open forum, that you do assurance work for a Blue Chip company, lie to them about what can and can't be done with the certification of their equipment, fail the slings then sell/move them on for personal gain?

[Albannach]

not exactly, he's mis-representing them, as rod mentioned, they should be rated and sold with the 7:1 safety factor taken into account. IE they should be sold by Safe Working Load, rather than Minimum Break Strain.

By using a red webbing and claiming it to be 5 tonne, i just feel he's misrepresenting it so it appears the same as anyone elses 5 tonne SWL slings, when in actual fact it probably ain't even as good as a reputable sellers 1 tonne SWL sling.

He's actually not breaking the law because he is stating 5 tonne breakstrain and not 5 tonne SWL, but if you didn't know and was a casual buyer just browsing the net, you wouldn't know, and to me it seems these are the people he's marketing to.

Ah, got you. And I didn't realie the colour was relevant, the stuff at work gets tested and tagged with a different colour every 3 months, so I only ever look at that.

[rodp]

Ah, got you. And I didn't realie the colour was relevant, the stuff at work gets tested and tagged with a different colour every 3 months, so I only ever look at that.

It's now the users responsibility to check items of lifting before use, unless there's a nominated person for the job. If it had a plainly visible defect before breaking YOU get done, technically. I very often have to go to companies to show a nominated person how to check webs, they're then checked by us every six months, and the failure rate is high.

Colour wise, there's no legal definition, it's just advisory to standardise them, if you want pink have pink, you just have to make sure everyone knows what loading pink means
From what I've read pink may go down well on here

[si tate]

anything yet, sent another one.
Rod

Still nothing mate, ive been watching ice road truckers, now im watching the hudson plane crash.

[rodp]

no worries and yr prob right mate,just wanted to say
ive got a lovely one at work atm,taken off one of our heavy wreckers 10m long and 72cm wide,rated to 40t

Used to do your job mate, a long time ago. I worked for a Seddon Atky main dealer. The last wrecker we built was on a brand new 411 chassis (unit) straight from the commercial vehicle show at the NEC (straight off the stand) It was a Silver Knight spec, all electric, Isri air seats with arm rests etc, 450 cummins, ZF splitter.
We shipped it straight to Cummins who upped it to 500 BHP and who knows how many lb ft of torque.
I had it from there and cut it in half, stretched it then sent it to Wreckers for the works.
Good truck that was apart from the Spanish axle which I blew apart at about 95 mph (it took a Dutch boy to catch me in the dark and flag me down, I couldn't see the smoke)
Did Newcastle on Tyne one day towing a 38 tonner, A1 was covered in snow AND we stopped for breakfast, still did it in 4 1/2 hrs from Birmingham. Had a written warning for that, what I thought was a quiet driver was actually a terrified driver who put an official complaint in after I'd dropped him off. D

[rodp]

Still nothing mate, ive been watching ice road truckers, now im watching the hudson plane crash.

Try rodp@blueyonder.co.uk

[si tate]

Try rodp@blueyonder.co.uk

Won't let me.
try

simontate73@hotmail.co.uk

[yoshie]

I actually use strops off road on a regular basis. The 7ton ones the slings guy on eblag sell are fine. They also have the blue id tags your on about.

We are draging two ton trucks out the mud, not lifting loads in a dock yard.
There is no way you will get enough pull from a truck on off road surface to break a 7ton pull rated strop. You will have moved onto the winch long before it lets go.

[rodp]

You will have moved onto the winch long before it lets go.

Yep but you may want to use it with the winch OR to anchor the winch vehicle to a tree. One 5 ton strap + winch + snatch block = a near death experience.
One 14 ton strap + winch + snatch block = one successful recovery.

No-one arguing, the choice is yours.

[yoshie]

Yep but you may want to use it with the winch OR to anchor the winch vehicle to a tree. One 5 ton strap + winch + snatch block = a near death experience.
One 14 ton strap + winch + snatch block = one successful recovery.

No-one arguing, the choice is yours.

Total agree with the tree strop. Should be fit for purpose and the stronger the better in my book. I have a winch sitting for the new toy, loaded with 12 strand plasma {much safer than a wire}. I will also carry a ground anchor and a strop rated at 14ton. But for most guys on here a muddy Greenlane is the most their truck sees, and for that a 5-7ton strap will be fine.
All I was pointing out to anyone thinking of trying the muddy stuff was, you don't have to go mad on kit to have a bit of fun.

[adpsimpson]

make an offer to swap.
Rod

Hmm, trying to think of anything that would be useful...

If you've got a film camera, I've got a few reels of Fujifilm Neopan 1600 I could send your way? An old compact digital camera too, not top-of-the-line but if you have a need for something to break/hack/modify it still (mostly) works?

Let's think, what else... a 1GB memory stick? Running out of ideas here...!