lift springs

[toyboata]

Can you get just spring and lift a surf or do you have to buy a full lift kit? im not the richest guy in the world so dont want to pay through the nose.
cheers

[plumb bob]

If you have a 3rd gen then yes, as it has 4x coil springs, but with 2nd gens you need rear springs, and then you can raise the torsion bars a little, and get some ball joint spacers.

You can also get the body lifted by 2" with a kit.

[MrE]

Personally, I prefer to do a body lift first (keeps a lower centre of gravity) then if you need a little more go the lifted spring route, IMHO I prefer to stay with OEM springs and fit spacers, as I use my 4x4's for offroading and I feel Toyota have spent sh!t loads on R&D (that the after market manufacturers can't match) to get a good balance of on/off road performance.

Mark.....

[TonyN]

Personally, I prefer to do a body lift first (keeps a lower centre of gravity) then if you need a little more go the lifted spring route, IMHO I prefer to stay with OEM springs and fit spacers, as I use my 4x4's for offroading and I feel Toyota have spent sh!t loads on R&D (that the after market manufacturers can't match) to get a good balance of on/off road performance.

Mark.....

Alternative school of thought on this....
Body lifting a truck WILL raise the center of gravity and you'll still on the same springs and shocks as a standard height truck.

Fitting a proper suspension lift lifts the truck, and the springs and shocks will have been matched to account of the extra height and extra roll of the truck on corners.

IMHO opinon, Body lifts are for eeking out extra clearance if needed, a suspension lift should be the primary method of lifting the truck.

Body lift will clear bigger tyres and mildly help with rear bumper clearance (although if you have a towbracket it won't help.)

Longer springs and shocks will get you more suspension flex meaning keeping all the wheels on the deck longer, which is you main goal for successful, non damaging offroading. Also extra clearance for bigger tyres, front and rear chassis clearance angles, and more importantly middle break over angle.

Body lifts are cheaper, which shouldn't be, but mostly is the big attraction.



To answer Toyboater, you don't often need the torsion bars, which is a big saving on 2nd Gen lifts, 4 good shocks and +2" rear coils are a good start.

You don't even need shocks yet, but you won't make the most of the extra travel the coils give you.

[Bibs]

Alternative school of thought on this....
Body lifting a truck WILL raise the center of gravity and you'll still on the same springs and shocks as a standard height truck.

Fitting a proper suspension lift lifts the truck, and the springs and shocks will have been matched to account of the extra height and extra roll of the truck on corners.

IMHO opinon, Body lifts are for eeking out extra clearance if needed, a suspension lift should be the primary method of lifting the truck.

Body lift will clear bigger tyres and mildly help with rear bumper clearance (although if you have a towbracket it won't help.)

Longer springs and shocks will get you more suspension flex meaning keeping all the wheels on the deck longer, which is you main goal for successful, non damaging offroading. Also extra clearance for bigger tyres, front and rear chassis clearance angles, and more importantly middle break over angle.

Body lifts are cheaper, which shouldn't be, but mostly is the big attraction.



To answer Toyboater, you don't often need the torsion bars, which is a big saving on 2nd Gen lifts, 4 good shocks and +2" rear coils are a good start.

You don't even need shocks yet, but you won't make the most of the extra travel the coils give you.

Hi

Getting a suspension lift next month - is it better to get the kit from Roughtrax or somewhere else or to buy seperatly?

[RodLeach]

Hi

Getting a suspension lift next month - is it better to get the kit from Roughtrax or somewhere else or to buy seperatly?

I wouldn't get the roughtrax one bibs.

Its a nice kit but Richard (stormforce) has said that changing the torsion bars was pointless.

I would get either LC coils or the +2" coils from roughtrax and then ball joint spacers from 4crawler... or just wind the torsion bars to suit!

[MrE]

I don't think I got my point across very well

Alternative school of thought on this....
Body lifting a truck WILL raise the center of gravity and you'll still on the same springs and shocks as a standard height truck.

What I was referring to was that a Body lift doesn't increase the centre of gravity as much as a suspension lift, as a body lift leaves all the heavy bits in place.

Mark.....

P.S Have you had any luck with that air pipe

[Bibs]

I wouldn't get the roughtrax one bibs.

Its a nice kit but Richard (stormforce) has said that changing the torsion bars was pointless.

I would get either LC coils or the +2" coils from roughtrax and then ball joint spacers from 4crawler... or just wind the torsion bars to suit!

Cheers - have been informed by Tonyn of this also. Tried to PM him back but hey - PM box full.

So Tony - I will give you a shout about them tomorrow. Cheers.