ARB Bushes, Does Anyone Know Why?

[hellmett]

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Well,

I got them all fitted and correctly positioned and tightened etc. as Matt & Nev suggested!

All I can say is "WOW", what a difference!

My old ones musta been buggered!

The Surf feels tight and solid now, no more rattling and clunking!

Well worth the effort and the £40.00.

I might have to turn the shocks to "soft" now as the ride is very, very tactile, I feel every bump!

Later!

Gary

PS Thanks for the advice fellas!

[goodcat]

Thats the first time I've seen cup washers either side of the MOUNT itself. They're only required in the outer positions. The mount itself does the job of the cupwasher on the inner side. What you have now is metal on metal, on a flexible joint. It's only gonna wear something, and probably the non-replaceable mount.

bit of a late reply but i concur.

[Albannach]

bit of a late reply but i concur.

Well you'd be wrong.

The thinner and softer inner mounting washers are there to locate the bushes and bolt/pin, primarily during fitting and loading before the bolts and mountings are tightened (Hellmett: You did load them correctly before you tightened everything?). As Hellmett observed, the washers were gubbed, which is correct as they are sacrificial to the mountings. Mountings only wear when the bolt/pin wears them away once the bushes have worn themselves loose, not the washers.

The only time you'll see this type of mounting without these washers is where the bushes are lipped to locate everything.

[goodcat]

oh i see

[Apache]

If the washers are there to centre the bolt, why use 2? Surely one would suffice?

[NiftyNev]

The only time you'll see this type of mounting without these washers is where the bushes are lipped to locate everything.

True.

If the washers are there to centre the bolt, why use 2? Surely one would suffice?

There is only one with a lip for each side. There are 6 in total 4 plain and 2 lipped.

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_199...KMQT_4804.html

Nev

[hellmett]

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More Importantly,

Why are Milners, Roughtrax and co. selling these as complete replacement sets if they are missing 4 washers out of each?

Just to let you all know, ALL of the cup washers are identical, there is NONE that are lipped!

Can someone please tell me how to load the damn things before I have a breakdown!!!!!

Where the hell am I gonna get another 8 cup washers now?

Gary

Just a thought, because these are made out of very strong Polyurethane, then maybe they are supposed to be used against the shock mount?

The old ones were shitty rubbery stuff (probably rubber!!!) and not as strong by a long way!

The whole ###### thing is annoying me!

[stormforce]

I never put the cup washers against the mount only on the top/bottom where the bolts sit on and then cranked them up till the bushes just started to squash down a bit and as far as i know they are still ok on my old truck.I can get some off the breaker here for you if you want the extra washers but you'll have to wait a few days for me to get time to get them off

[MattF]

Just to let you all know, ALL of the cup washers are identical, there is NONE that are lipped!

You misread what was written. The bushes, not the washers. Where the bolt goes through the bush, there will be a little raised lip around the hole, a millimetre or two high, possibly only on one face of the bush. Those go into the hole through the chassis mount.

If I can dig those kits out of mine, I'll have a look at them later and see what they're like.

[hellmett]

You misread what was written. The bushes, not the washers. Where the bolt goes through the bush, there will be a little raised lip around the hole, a millimetre or two high, possibly only on one face of the bush. Those go into the hole through the chassis mount.

If I can dig those kits out of mine, I'll have a look at them later and see what they're like.

Oh ok!

There are no lips on the bushes either though!

They are just cylindrical with 2 flat faces!

Gary

[Apache]

Oh hold on a minute... I seem to recall the orange poly bushes I got, one (on each side) had a machined lip on it which sat in the hole.

It's only to stop the droplink rubbing in the mounting hole. Dont lose any sleep over it, sideways stresses on it would be very low.

[MattF]

Just had a peek at them, and those lips Andy noticed appear to be more just mould overcast or a lip from when they have been drilled, (if they are after moulding). I honestly wouldn't worry about there not being a lip as such Gary. Once you've crimped those up a tad with the spanner, they'll most likely have bedded into the hole, and as Andy says, can't see there being much sideways movement. They are, after all, under tension pretty much all of the time when the vehicle is moving.

Worst case scenario, you end up with it feeling like it has worn bushes again if they're moving around.

[hellmett]

Just had a peek at them, and those lips Andy noticed appear to be more just mould overcast or a lip from when they have been drilled, (if they are after moulding). I honestly wouldn't worry about there not being a lip as such Gary. Once you've crimped those up a tad with the spanner, they'll most likely have bedded into the hole, and as Andy says, can't see there being much sideways movement. They are, after all, under tension pretty much all of the time when the vehicle is moving.

Worst case scenario, you end up with it feeling like it has worn bushes again if they're moving around.

I think your right Matt!

I just had a gander and they haven't moved a millimetre!

They seem to "mould" themselves into the hole.

So long as you center them up and tighten sufficently they will not move!

However, you need to make sure the mount is clean and free from rust etc!

Gonna take a snap or 2 tomorrow and show you what way I have them on!

Later!

Gary