does anyone sell 'standard' rated +2" springs ?

[wishbone]

Been living with milners 20% uprated springs with 1 1/4" coil spacers and procomp +2" shocks for a year.

Really not happy with the ride quality - every biggish bump sends everything in the boot up in the air....

Read here that the roughtrax springs were +2" but standard, rang them today and they say they're stiffer.

So does anyone sell soft springs but +2", or is it a visit to the main dealer and keep my spacers ?

Cheers,
Rob

[RodLeach]

Look at the shock absorbers mate. Do you know what make they are?!

perhaps something softer like an ES3000 might help settle the ride abit.

[wishbone]

Hi Rod,

The shocks are Procomp ES9000 +2" .

Rob.

[Apache]

Something I've been saying for a little while.

Taller but standard rate springs would be quite nice for offroading style in the UK.

It baffles me why anyone would think firmer than standard suspension is good for bouncing over rocks...

[wishbone]

Hi Apache,

When I started buying things for my surf I tried to set it up for long treks. I decided that as I'd have loads of stuff in the back for camping etc that the stiffer springs would help....

Just been camping and it all seems a bit too harsh...

Only thing is I've got to put my stereo stuff in yet which will add a fair bit of weight, I just think it will still be too stiff.

Cheers,
Rob.

[Apache]

I have Landcruiser springs, which are too harsh when unloaded. With a load of camping kit and a couple of extra people in the back they're OK.

I reckon a bit softer would be better though.

[RodLeach]

Hi Rod,

The shocks are Procomp ES9000 +2" .

Rob.

The Procomp ES9000 shocks are a very firm shock absorber. It may well be a case of changing to the softer ES3000's cures your problems mate.

Something I've been saying for a little while.

Taller but standard rate springs would be quite nice for offroading style in the UK.

It baffles me why anyone would think firmer than standard suspension is good for bouncing over rocks...

I think the main reasoning behind it, is to stop the truck being so wallowly (spelling?!)

When you fit a body lift theres nothing to combat the increased C.O.G so the truck leans in, suspension lifts can be set up so you go high but not so wallowly.

Its fine for most of us, we are aware of the boat type handling an drive accordingly but there will be just as many 4x4 users that want a "monster truck" an arn't prepared for it to roll over on the first turn!!

[wishbone]

Out of interest Apache what shocks are you running?

Rob.

[wishbone]

The thing about the stiffer set up for lifted trucks...

When people lift a truck they are looking for more suspension travel. What Apache is alluding to is that if you give yourself more travel then stiffen the suspension then chances are it will never compress / expand into it's new found space as it's too stiff.. ??

That's my guess anyhow.

Rob.

EDIT: Just realised a lot of people do it just to clear bigger wheels.

[RodLeach]

The thing about the stiffer set up for lifted trucks...

When people lift a truck they are looking for more suspension travel. What Apache is alluding to is that if you give yourself more travel then stiffen the suspension then chances are it will never compress / expand into it's new found space as it's too stiff.. ??

That's my guess anyhow.

Rob.

EDIT: Just realised a lot of people do it just to clear bigger wheels.

Larger tyres are the main reason for lifting. It improves approach an departure angles aswell as ground clearance for the diffs.

getting longer suspension travel is a bonus (some may go for the longer travel) But your always going to reach limitations with any kind of stock set up.

If someone wanted really long travel i would suggest handing there wallet to Nigel at L.A.S an asking nicely

I dont do much offroading but i agree with Apache that softer suspension would be easier going on all the components in the suspension. Its just a payoff.

Lift it an it will handle like cr*p. Stiffen it up an its better for getting you to an from the offroad centers/greenlanes.
You cant make a truck perfect on the road and off the road. It will always be a compromise between one or t'other

[BUSHWHACKER]

I have Landcruiser springs, which are too harsh when unloaded. With a load of camping kit and a couple of extra people in the back they're OK.

I reckon a bit softer would be better though.

I have Landcruiser springs, but being the pioneer of fitting them, they're standard black springs not the blue Heavy Duty ones. I still got the lift but without the harshness.


ner, ner, nerner, ner!

[nero279]

Was thinking about this last night, and thinking well why is that stuff like the britpart yellow springs are available for landrovers which are lifted but softer. And came to the conclusion that as much as we like to entertain the notion that our trucks were designed as out and out offroaders that will go anywhere etc... they weren't... they were designed to do long overland trips on poor road surfaces, dirt and mountain tracks, sand, long offroad sections, the kind of overland trips most of us would love to do. This normally means carrying several hundred kilos of kit, driving faster in the main than what we should do greenlaning or at p&ps, and being reasonably comfortable to live in (or out of) for several days or weeks at a time?

The fact they will go most places at a p&p site or negotiate pretty much any greenlane with relatively few mods is simply a testament to toyota engineering.

I also believe the majority of aftermarket products available for the surfs are aimed at that scene rather than the weekend plaything scene.

You want some softer springs then i'm afraid you'll have to take a leaf out the zuki boys books and go look in a scrapyard for something that looks like it might fit, then take it home and make it fit. Maybe try some disco springs as a starting point. At the end of the day it ain't gonna be that hard to make them fit at least as a trial thing, worst case scenario build a clamp out of two bits of flat bar and a pair of nuts and bolts, clamp them at one end and trial them. If they work for you then set about fabricating some proper spring cup adaptors

[wishbone]

Just phoned the main dealers for a quote on original rear springs... £202 + VAT for a pair...

Wish I'd kept my old springs now...

Will look into getting a pair of originals off a breaker and see how they go with my spring spacers. (will wait til the stereo gear and storage box stuff is put in and see if mine are better with some load)

I'll also have a browse through the US sites and see if there's anything available to import.

Cheers,
Rob.

[biosurf]

Message

Hi wishbone
Just dropped you a PM mate

[wishbone]

Oz supplied 'Tough Dog' brand. Lift of 2", available in 2 versions, 1 stiff for heavy loads, one for lighter loads.

http://www.4wd1.com/4runner_surf.htm#spring

Just over £100 + shipping/duties.



Also found these ones, but no price as they're shut for a week for stocktaking.

1.5" lift, progressive springs.

http://www.northwestoffroad.com/part...uspension.html


Will keep looking.
Rob.