Sterio help/advise

[POPEYE]

I've a few questions about wiring up my stuff in the truck, what i have (or will have) is a sterio head unit in the roof console and a touch screen tv in the double din slot, what i need advice on is wiring the speakers (i'm not useing the trucks original loom, i'm running new speaker cable all round) how do i run the speaker wire from two units? the head and the tv, should i fit a load of small switches in the speaker wires for switching from one unit to the other or can i just double up the connections,
also i'm unclear on how to actually wire the speaker wires, you have eight wires, 2 per speaker pos and neg each, how do they connect to the amp "speaker output" this has 4 connections, marked + left and + right with "bridged written under that,
if someone could reccomend a wiring diagram for idots that would be great,
regarding the amp, the one i bought cheap has a missing metal part from the "rca" phono type sockets, so 1, is this repaiable and 2, do i actually need these to run the amp?
finally still on the amp i think theres a wire that goes from the head unit to the center connection on the power imput , there is a wire already marked "amp" on the tv unit but from what i can see the Blaupunkt unit requires you to buy a "preamp/sub/center-out cable, found the item on their web-site and it 20 odd naffin quid, from the diag of it it has 6 phono jacks, a wire marked +12v amp, a wire marked BN and an unmarked wire, so do i have to get this or can i just connect a lead from the terminal shown to the amp (rem) does this need a switch?
if anyone can help or would be willing to draw a diag i'll pay ya or do your heater leds for nowt, whatever!!
this thing is doing my nut,

the last pic is the inside of the thing showing the rca phono jacks wotnames

[Calos]

The outer part of the RCA phono connector will need replacing either with another part or canibalising one from something else. Those inputs are the signal input for the amp to work with.

The speaker connections are usualy left right.

"Bridged" is when you "link" (that is make them work as one more powerful amplifier from both the left and right amplifiers inside), in this case probabley 2 amplifiers the box into one output usualy for a sub (woofer we would have called them).

Hope this helps

peace
cal

[wishbone]

The amp is a 2 channel amp so will only really drive 2 speakers.(or 1 subwoofer)

Does your cd/radio unit have the option of aux in? Would be easier to run the tv sound to that unit, then use the cd/radio to control its volume. Then only need to wire one unit to the amp, then to speakers. Will also mean you can power a rear pair off the radio/cd unit.

Often you can buy an aux in adapter that connects to the cd changer input.

Also the input on the amp might work ok still as they often have a common earth.

[POPEYE]

The amp is a 2 channel amp so will only really drive 2 speakers.(or 1 subwoofer)

Does your cd/radio unit have the option of aux in? Would be easier to run the tv sound to that unit, then use the cd/radio to control its volume. Then only need to wire one unit to the amp, then to speakers. Will also mean you can power a rear pair off the radio/cd unit.

Often you can buy an aux in adapter that connects to the cd changer input.

Also the input on the amp might work ok still as they often have a common earth.

Thanks guys, Wishbone, i'll try and post some pics of the wiring connections on both units this evening, i think i'm right in saying both have the "aux in" option, the tv i think already has the jacks but for the head unit i think i'd need to buy the plug part with leads and jacks, just not sure what part i need really (or here to get it from,) i dont have a cd multi-changer but probable look out for one, the damage to the jack on the amp was what was worrying me, what i could do with is a step by step instructions as i know bugger all about this stuff, been looking at some diagrams on google but i cant make sence of it, the blaupunkt radio is mounted in the roof and the tv in the dash so they aint side by side, i was planning to fit the amp in the back along with a cd changer got to make some box work there each side for this stuff and the rear speakers, anyway i'll try to add soem pics later, cheer's ian

[wishbone]

Post the model numbers of both units and let us know what speakers you want to run (front and rear) aswell.

[POPEYE]

Cheer's my friend, the amp is a MAC, mpx2000 2 ch 500 watts max, only number i can see is on the back cover and it's 018980 warrenty seal was already broken, the links are what Sancho posted regarding the head unit-
Blaupunkt Casablanca MP56 (7 646 580 310


http://www.blaupunkt.de/fileadmin/us...0001_EA_GB.pdf

http://www.blaupunkt.de/fileadmin/us...0001_EA_GB.pdf

Just match the part number on the unit to the one on the manual.

first pic is the wiring from the tv, i have the main (ISO) leads for the blaupunkt understand all those execpt the two marked,
other pics are from the print out from the above download,

speakers are pretty standard, nothing high powered, pair of 4" in the front doors and a pair of 8x6 (i think) in the rear, basicly i just need to know how to run the speaker wiresfrom two units, where to connect em to, and should i connect em together or seperate runs, (even thought about fitting 8 small switches into the speaker runs to switch from either unit to the other) i'd like to use the amp and dont mind buying any "optional extra" leads, but if the amp's gonna be a PITA i'll do without it,
i should add that i'm not useing any of the trucks loom for these units, running seperate fee'd/grounds etc and new speaker wire, just got a 20mt roll for it,
believe me any help you can give will be greatly apprecieated mate, and if i can do owt for you just let me know, (heater controll leds was one idea)

Sorry! forgot to rotate the "pin-out" pic and added the optional bits pic in case theres summat there i have to get,
just added a pic of one of the rear speakers, the fronts are still in place, i was thinking would i be better off (easier) just running the rear speakers on the amp? then do i just run the front speaker wires to the front speakers from the head units?

[wishbone]

Sorry Popeye I've only just noticed your answer..

One more question - Does the TV unit have speaker outputs as well as the ones in the pic?

I'm trying to sort out a way for you to have the TV unit as the main 'stereo' with the other one attached to it via plugs 1 and 2 (audio in Left and right).

You would need the extra cable for the cd unit to do this.

Then you could use the amp for either your front or rear speakers and the built in amp on the tv unit to power the other pair.

This would mean no messing about with switches etc.

Rob.

[Karma Supra]

That's the same TV tuner I have.

It has two audio RCA outs and a few "spare" video outs for multiple monitors.

A nice feature it has is the remote eye on a lead... I have mine under the passenger seat with the remote eye in a blanking plug on the dash. Nice stealth install No good for those that like crossing rivers though!

Out of interest Popeye do you get any decent recetion with yours?

Edit: sorry misread you post, min is of no help whatsoever

Can you not use the double DIN TV headunit as your main stereo one meaning you just have to worry about wiring one unit? assuming it can do basic headunit stuff it would seem like the easy option.

[POPEYE]

Thats ok Wishbone no problem, firstly please be aware they your dealing with a complete idiot (me) when it comes to this stuff, as Karma supra says i think it has audio out jacks, the first pic shows all the rca type jacks, did that with the help of a member who used to be on here, the white plug on the right is the main power plug with the speaker cables/ batt/ign/ ground/ antenna etc
when i first fitted this unit it wouldn't power up the stock amps fitted in the rear so i had no rear speakers for ages, these amps have beed removed and this is why i'm going to run new cables and not use the trucks loom regarding radio/speakers etc,
pics234&7 are all of the blaupunkt unit, there are two leads shown in pic 3 that i've no idea about, wasn't sure if i need to buy that "preamp" cable/plug thing? if you would like some more close-up's of the tv unit cables i can take some, it's on the bench not in the truck


the recption wasn't bad on the tv, i have a didgital amplified aerial thing and the freeview box shown in the pic, signal depended on where you were, and pic broke up when you moved/drove, radio was basic, (duff sound but it was only on two small 4" speakers), never did try a cd or dvd in it, and no idea how to use the usb thing, on the whole tho it was pretty good for £90,

[wishbone]

Hi Popeye,

What's the model no. of the TV ?

Can you post a pick of the back of it? I need to know if it has speaker outputs.

Rob.

[Karma Supra]

Re the amps not powering up, was there a remote lead? (usually solid blue on an ISO harness and also puts the antenna up)

[POPEYE]

I'll get some pic of the back of it added later, cheer's, there is a blue lead but that is marked "back" and is to connect to the reversing lights "on" live for the rev camera, i believe Jim (scorpion) had the same set and the same prob, i primised myself i'd get round to sorting it all out (that was two years ago) finally getting it all done

just took this pic from the instruction booklet if it's any help, its an older model
(E010, eocon chinese telly) without the sat nav, i'll take some pic a bit later,
thanks wisbone, sorry to be a pain, if it's going to be a load of aggro for you please dont worry about it, i can always do without the amp and run two seperate systems each unit with their own speakers, i'd use the ones i have for the blaupunkt sterio and get some cheapo's for the tv, so dont go spending a lot of time on this,

Just found this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
do you think i need it?

[wishbone]

Right Ian,

Here we go....

Buy the adapter for the blaupunkt unit. You'll also need 2 pairs of phono cables - one pair to run from the blaupunkts 'front left and right preamp out' sockets to the 'aux in left and right' socket on the telly unit.

The second pair is to run from the telly unit to the amp. It's your choice as to which pair of speakers the amp runs. Whichever you choose (front or rear) run the appropriate left and right out pair (FL out = front left out on the diagram. RR out = rear right out etc) from the telly unit to the amp.

Now use the speaker out connectors on the telly to attach to the other pair of speakers. ie: If you choose to use the amp with the rear speakers (using the rear outputs on the telly unit) the use the front speaker outputs (green and green/black for left front speaker, grey and grey/black for right front speaker)


You'll need some 8 gauge cable to use on the amps positive and earth cable. The positive runs straight to the battery with an inline fuse very close to the terminal. The earth goes to a nicely sanded bit of bodywork.

It may be cheaper to buy yourself an 8 gauge wiring kit off ebay.

Something like this...

With that you'll still need to buy a second stereo phono lead though. (probably about 3 quid on ebay)

The rem socket on the amp needs to be connected to the amp wire on the tv unit. (drawing said yellow wire - usually it's a blue one)

That's the remote switch on for the amp. As soon as it gets 12v on the rem socket it powers up.

I'm assuming you're good to wire the permanent live to both units, ignition live to both units and the earth to both units. Also the respective aerials. lighting circuit to the illumination wire on both units (usually orange wire - dims the unit when you switch your lights on)



When it's all connected up turn the blaupunkt unit volume right down then switch on the tv unit with telly on. Switch the tv unit to aux in setting then bring up the volume on the blaupunkt until its as loud as the tv was. Never touch the blaupunkt volume again - always use the telly volume to control it.

Then play with the fader / balance /bass / treble on the tv unit to your hearts content.

Hth,

Rob.

[POPEYE]

Thats great Rob, cant thank you enough for takeing the time on this, i'll print this off for a handy refference, i'll order the blaupunkt "pre-amp" plug and asap i think i'll get the wiring kit you linked, i would like to use the rear speakers on the amp so i guess i'll need some long phono leads to reach from the telly to the back, (speakers will be sited above the rear wheel arches, just started makeing the boxwork for them and to house the amp/cover the air comp and the new fuse/relay panel i made, i have used a really heavy duty (5mm i think) to supply a live feed from the n/s battery back to the rear quater panel where the fuse/relay panel is sited, but as you say for safty's sake the kit will be better,
i'm fine wiring the feeds to the units, already have the blaupunkt head unit fitted in a roof console and hooked up, i just got an adaptor and splitter for it and have an extension aerial lead on the way (i'll see what recption's like when it's all wired up, if it's not to great ill fit a seperate aerial,) head unit looks great lit up, cant wait to get it all installed and running,
mate! if there's anything i can do for you please let me know, i owe ya big time, thanks again, all the best, ian

Right just bought the blaupunkt pre amp plug and also this kit http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
(stop him somebody! he gone mad

[wishbone]

You're welcome Ian.

Just a heads up - the wiring kits come with a phono cable long enough to run the length of the truck so you'll just need to buy one long enough to link the blaupunkt to the tv unit.

Hope it all goes smoothly for you,

Rob.