Ignition Barrel Problem

[N_WOF]

Hello,

My spotlights shorted to earth the other day (too much rain, not enough insulating tape) - even though they were fused (at 30A), I have apparently damaged my ignition barrel, as the circuit which runs the warning lights at startup isn't outputting anything. Apparently, there's a fuel pump circuit on that feed too, but I don't seem to be having any problems with that...

How easy is it to replace? Does anybody know where I can get one (other than Toyota?)

Any help will be much appreciated,

Thanks,

Paul

[nero279]

Sounds unlikely that it's the actual ignition barrel that's now faulty to me.

Checked all your fuses?

[MattF]

My spotlights shorted to earth the other day (too much rain, not enough insulating tape)

You're taking the p1ss? Not enough insulation tape?

[nero279]

You're taking the p1ss? Not enough insulation tape?

probably worked for gap security in a previous life

[MattF]

probably worked for gap security in a previous life

Christ knows. Can't abide sloppiness like that. Blo0dy partial or altered stories are even more annoying though. Mechanic disconnected his spots due to load on the main beam circuit my arse. It was most likely due to the shonky wiring.

[scudmonkey]

Sounds unlikely that it's the actual ignition barrel that's now faulty to me.

Checked all your fuses?

Thats true. Unlikely to be the lock assembly. Probably the electrical contact set on the back of the barrel. These are usually held in place with a grub screw and can be replaced quite easily. The contacts inside this unit ( a multi-function rotary switch) can sometimes just need a clean to restore function, but that depends on how worn they are. If you take yours apart, watch out for all sorts of springs and stuff. These give you the positive feel when you turn the key through its various positions. This switch on the bsck of the barrel should be the same as other Surfs in that era. Hope this helps.

[N_WOF]

Helpful advice will be just fine, thanks! I didn't post here just to watch some ### massage their own ego!

I taped up the bullet connectors feeding the spotlights, but I'm assuming water must have shorted one of them to earth - I stripped them down but couldn't tell for sure. What should I have done? Sealed them in silicone?!

The chap who has just finished fitting an imobiliser (to replace the factory fitted one which had died) told me that the ignition barrel is the problem - I've no reason not to believe him.

Cheers,

Paul

[nero279]

OK then,

to answer your question and waste your money, no the ignition barrell will be a dealer only part, the part number is : -
69057-35020 if it's a 2nd gen,
or
69057-35090 if it's a 3rd gen.

changing it is a case of removing the lower dash, putting the key in the ign turning to position 1 pushing in the little release button on the bottom of the barrell and pulling the ignition barrell out. Putting the new key in the new barrell, putting that in position 1 inserting it where the old one came from and walla, all done.

Still the same problem only difference now being that the door key and ignition key don't match.

[MattF]

Don't need to massage the ego mate. It's massive enough, and I'm obtuse enough already, without further enhancement being required. There, I can abuse myself quite well, so you can save yourself the hassle as it will have sod all effect on my disposition.

Nothing other than w@nkily done wiring can short out, so yes, whatever means and equipment was necessary, you should have done it correctly. That's not me playing on my supposed egotism or anything else. That's merely having naff all tolerance for shonky buggers who are a danger to themselves and others.

[N_WOF]

###### hell!

Is everybody having a bad day or something?

All I'm looking for here is a bit of impartial help - opinions of those with more experience than me - you know, the whole supposed point of this forum!

What I really haven't got time for is the sort of flaming teenagers usually preserve for 4chan to get themselves hard!

I really thought I'd stumbled on something amazingly helpful in this forum and, to be honest, it's been a lot of help up til now - I never realised what a nasty little clique it actually is.

Thanks for enlightening me.

Paul

[Growler]

Nothing other than w@nkily done wiring can short out, so yes, whatever means and equipment was necessary, you should have done it correctly. That's not me playing on my supposed egotism or anything else. That's merely having naff all tolerance for shonky buggers who are a danger to themselves and others.

Ah Matt I think you may be being a little to hard on him. After all the best that could happen is a dead short and a nice little fire in the wiring loom As for the worst well how would explain it to your insurance that you set fire to your own truck with faulty workmanship

[MattF]

Ah Matt I think you may be being a little to hard on him. After all the best that could happen is a dead short and a nice little fire in the wiring loom As for the worst well how would explain it to your insurance that you set fire to your own truck with faulty workmanship

That's the worst which could happen? Okay then, suppose a theoretical loom fire happened in, for example, the likes of a multi-storey car park. You basically have there one large flue. Air in, smoke and flames up. Cartloads of combustible materials too. What if it happens on a motorway, and you have cable smoke puthering across all lanes? Insurance is the last consideration. Unsafe electrics are not just an inconvenience. Those minor bodges can be fatal in multiple ways, and it usually is the person whom is the cause who is the one who escapes unharmed, so yes, having at minimum a slightly p1ssy attitude towards bodgers you can well accuse me of.

A dead short is never a minor inconvenience. It always has the potential for large consequences.

[MattF]

All I'm looking for here is a bit of impartial help - opinions of those with more experience than me - you know, the whole supposed point of this forum!

What I really haven't got time for is the sort of flaming teenagers usually preserve for 4chan to get themselves hard!

I really thought I'd stumbled on something amazingly helpful in this forum and, to be honest, it's been a lot of help up til now - I never realised what a nasty little clique it actually is.

Thanks for enlightening me.

If you're looking for impartial advice only, then why have you ignored the sound advice you have been given above by Ian and the other chap?

Also, why does everyone do this girly upset attitude every time someone says something which may burst their perfect bubble? By Christ, I get called sh1tloads of names every day and you never see me coming with that Prima Donna attitude. Grow up.

[N_WOF]

I didn't ignore their advice, I mailed them to thank them - and to say I couldn't understand what I'd done to upset you so much.

Do you ever actually stop to wonder *why* you get called "sh1tloads" of names every day? Come to that, don't you think a 36 year old using words like "w@nkily" and "p1ssy" is just a little bit sad and immature?

What actually happened was this: water got into the bullet connectors on my spotlights and the fuse on the relay blew. Unfortunately, it seems to have damaged the ignition switch at the same time - end of story. I didn't kill everyone in a multistorey carpark, I didn't cause the biggest accident in history on any motorways and certainly, nothing went "puthering across all lanes", whatever it is you're trying to say there?!

I think you need to step back and get some perspective - blowing a fuse doesn't make me a child murder or a nazi war-criminal. I see now that your life is so devoid of meaning that you'll be telling all your mates how you "told some soothern coont what for on 'tinternet" for weeks to come. In the meantime, calm down, stay away from the keyboard and give the rest of us normal people a chance to talk sensibly, please.

With fond regards,

Paul

[MattF]

Do you ever actually stop to wonder *why* you get called "sh1tloads" of names every day? Come to that, don't you think a 36 year old using words like "w@nkily" and "p1ssy" is just a little bit sad and immature?

1) I know exactly why and don't give a damn.

2) Why is that immature? Why is it that everyone is always entitled to have their own opinion unless it upsets someone? Frankly, I don't give a damn whether anyone classes it as immature.

What actually happened was this: water got into the bullet connectors on my spotlights and the fuse on the relay blew. Unfortunately, it seems to have damaged the ignition switch at the same time - end of story. I didn't kill everyone in a multistorey carpark, I didn't cause the biggest accident in history on any motorways and certainly, nothing went "puthering across all lanes", whatever it is you're trying to say there?!

If you cannot make electrical connections safe for normal driving conditions, (I assume you weren't submerged over bonnet depth in a river or such?), without any form of sealant, you should not be touching electrical systems, full stop. Sealing a connection is for the sole purposes of either preventing corrosion or proofing them for extreme conditions. They should always be perfectly safe and sound under normal conditions without that. Period. Unsafe is unsafe. End of. If you expected those connections to get p1ssed wet through and used nothing more than insulation tape, then seriously, that is first class sloppy and dangerous.