What kind of fuel injection system does a 1KZ-TE do??

[ChasesDragons]

Hi guys,
I have just arranged to go get some Biodiesel off a geezer in Manc,

He was saying that indirectly injected motors do particualrly well on BD - what is my kind? 3.0l TD, built novemeber 1995.

I was planning on sneaking in cooking oil with dino diesel, but I have asevere guilt complex and might end up turning myself in to C&E!!!

Regards
Udhi

[Morr]

Hi guys,
I have just arranged to go get some Biodiesel off a geezer in Manc,

He was saying that indirectly injected motors do particualrly well on BD - what is my kind? 3.0l TD, built novemeber 1995.

I was planning on sneaking in cooking oil with dino diesel, but I have asevere guilt complex and might end up turning myself in to C&E!!!

Regards
Udhi

When running Biodiesel it makes no difference if the engine is direct or indirect injection.
When using vegoil however an indirect injection engine is preferable, particularly when using high ratios of vegoil.

AFAIK the 3.0TD in indirect injection.

[That Ruddy Squirrel]

Hi guys,
I have just arranged to go get some Biodiesel off a geezer in Manc,

He was saying that indirectly injected motors do particualrly well on BD - what is my kind? 3.0l TD, built novemeber 1995.

I was planning on sneaking in cooking oil with dino diesel, but I have asevere guilt complex and might end up turning myself in to C&E!!!

Regards
Udhi

HOW do you "sneak" in Cooking Oil ? anyone with half a nostril going to notice !!!

Yep can notice with mine, and that's on a 10 Litre per tank mix,


Trev

[ChasesDragons]

HOW do you "sneak" in Cooking Oil ? anyone with half a nostril going to notice !!!

Yep can notice with mine, and that's on a 10 Litre per tank mix,


Trev

Trev, Simple mate, Plan yer trips thru streets with the highest concentrations of chippies

Thnx Morr, I couldnt make sense of this KZ engine manual that I bought from Ellery - no sense at all, and its supposed to be what Toyota uses!

Regards
Udhi

[ChasesDragons]

Just came home (glided...actually...the stuff DOES smoothen the engine!). damn right about the smell - its gorgeous, my dog was droolling all over the back seat and licking at the BD drums (Its WVO which is modded for car use).

But, its going to hard to justify travelling all the way to Manch to get 200l lots

The overall costs trickle down to the same as using Dino (apr 80p per l).

NUTS!
Udhi

[baw]

But, its going to hard to justify travelling all the way to Manch to get 200l lots

The overall costs trickle down to the same as using Dino (apr 80p per l).

NUTS!
Udhi

Well it might not be cheaper but your car is now offically carbon neutral! That's the main reason the people who use biofuels do it. I suppose in the future the price of petroleum products will have to rise due to rarity value and then all of us using vegoil and BD will be laughing!

Oh and nobody has to invade Iraq to get more veg oil!

Marcus

[marky]

Just came home (glided...actually...the stuff DOES smoothen the engine!). damn right about the smell - its gorgeous, my dog was droolling all over the back seat and licking at the BD drums (Its WVO which is modded for car use).

But, its going to hard to justify travelling all the way to Manch to get 200l lots

The overall costs trickle down to the same as using Dino (apr 80p per l).

NUTS!
Udhi

where abouts in manchester did you get it from as im willing to give it a go

[ChasesDragons]

where abouts in manchester did you get it from as im willing to give it a go

Try Gary Armstrong on mx51gaz@yahoo.co.uk. (0788 7821280). He works out of Urmston, but is moving this week or next. If you do get to talk to him, I would apreciate you sending my regards - as a sign of the word of Biodiesel spreading.

Marcus, guess you are riht about the environmental gain, but I am actually interested in my own pocket, crude, I know, but I guess your overall goal is still being acheived! :P

Regards
Udhi

[Morr]

....my dog was droolling all over the back seat and licking at the BD drums .....Udhi

Short version ....Don't let the dog lick too much of that biodiesel, could be bad for him.


Long version......Don't let the dog lick too much of that biodiesel. Pure biodiesel, or 100% Metyl-ester is quite harmless, non-toxic etc etc, sure it can't taste good tho!
However much of the biodiesel produced contains a small amount of Methanol, this should have been consumed during the transesterification process, but unless the inputed qtys were 100% accurate, or a Methanol recovery process performed after the initial production phase, a few percentage (possably up to 5) points of Methanol may remain.
Methanol is toxic to humans (and presumably Dogs), i know the qty involved by licking a little off a drum is not much, but none would clearly be better.

[ChasesDragons]

Thnx Morr,
I suspect Bio Power's method of making BD is substantially different from the RME method - I believe that they do not carry out the transesterification process, no meths. But, they may use RME, whitesprit and perhaps another synthetic to alter its viscosities. I guess this double the warning about keeping dogster off the drums!

The idea was that this WVO method doesnt waste the oil by creating Glycerol unlike the RME process.

Just wondering about the issue of gumming by using SVO/WVO - is there any evidence of this? how much would it be to replace injectors if this should happen? I hear that the "gum" also settles in the fuel pumps too.

Will Millers Diesel plus sort this out do you know? (twice yearly addition into the filter).

Warmest Regards
Udhi

[Morr]

Thnx Morr,
I suspect Bio Power's method of making BD is substantially different from the RME method - I believe that they do not carry out the transesterification process, no meths. But, they may use RME, whitesprit and perhaps another synthetic to alter its viscosities. I guess this double the warning about keeping dogster off the drums!

The idea was that this WVO method doesnt waste the oil by creating Glycerol unlike the RME process.

Just wondering about the issue of gumming by using SVO/WVO - is there any evidence of this? how much would it be to replace injectors if this should happen? I hear that the "gum" also settles in the fuel pumps too.

Will Millers Diesel plus sort this out do you know? (twice yearly addition into the filter).

Warmest Regards
Udhi

I'm not familiar with this process that Bio Power appear to be using, I take it whay you have purchased is not BioDiesel (in the conventional sense) but modified WVO?
Do they have a website detailing their product.

I don't see gumming as an issue, all vegoil is de-gummed and de-acidified prior to being sold as fit for human consumption, fuels made from such sources should therefore have minimal levels of gum and acid, altough acid content will indeed be higher in used oil, requiring further de-acidification to enable long-term reliable vehicular use.
Raw-pressed vegetable oils should not be used uproocessed as a diesel fuel withour de-gumming and de-acidification.
Coking of the injectors would be more likely to occur if incomplete combustion is encountered.

Millers diesel Plus ? No idea, I've never been a fan of fuel additives. Apart from the occasional splash of redex (like every 9/12 months if I think of it)to hopefully keep the injectors clear I don't bother.

[ChasesDragons]

This should provide a background to Bio-Power. You are right, it is essentially modified WVO:

http://www.bio-power.co.uk

There are two guys in Manchester who have started producing large quantities of this type of fuel for public consumers. There is also a fledgling "true" BD maker in the North of Manch, but he might have probs producing larger quantities for public supply due to probs getting WVO. It seems BD is not the realm of cranks and tree-huggers anymore, but a viable source of fuels.

I think Bio-Power or at least the guy I bought it off, might use White spirit to thin things down....but am not too sure. The "from the frying pan.." book has a sentence or two not recomending Kerosene-BD mix, I wonder if WS-WVO mix falls into this category. I will check the PH when I can get hold of some litmus or liquid indicator, I remember an argument somewhere that the acid can attack pump bearings and cause premature failure.

Warmest Regards
Udhi

[bundubasher]

CD, old thread I know - but did you ever get any answers to your questions?
rgds

enzo

[ChasesDragons]

Hi Bundu,
I believe the answer was that we run Diesel Indirect Injection in ours. This makes it a better condition to run bio Diesel, at the expense of more noise (irrelevant in such a big vehicle with the engine hung waaay out front) and less responsiveness and lower power. Both can be fixed via judicious modifications.

If you are now in SA, you got even better chance to run Bio, cos the temps should almost always be above gelling thresholds and closer in viscosities to Dino....depending on where you live of course.

Warmest Regards
Udhi

CD, old thread I know - but did you ever get any answers to your questions?
rgds

enzo