Major Help Needed...!!!!

[speedymacfish]

I'll start from the begining....!! yesterday i did 2 things.. first i degreased the engine and then washed off the degreaser.... then to seal an oil leak i poured some holts wondarweld in with the new oil....
I drove it no problem for about half a mile and it ground to a holt...!! left it for 5 minutes and it drove again for about the same distance and again ground to a holt...!!(flat battery after trying to start it) i was recovered and restarted it out side my garage... started it reved it for a few minutes and again it chugged to a holt..!! my thinking was water affecting the electrics on the pump...?? but now it will not even turn over..!! has all the symptoms of being seized..?? could this be possible? or could it have jumped the timing?? or has the wonderweld seized the engine..?? I have drained all the oil containing the wonderweld and filled it with fresh oil...
Any help would be great... cheers

[wiggy]

Just a thought..... when you washed off the engine did you bag over the fuse boxes glow plug fuse etc as there may be some water remaining? maybe some hoses were displaced? Also if there is water in them it will take a long time to dry ........... do you have lights when you turn the key?
also wouldn't have thought you would have seized the engine with that stuff as it was cranking

[speedymacfish]

I have power and everything.... just out with it now.... pump turns manualy... top end only move quater of an inch each way... but the bottom is stiff as a board... there maybe a little but very hard to move movement in it... giving it a good old tug now....

[wiggy]

Have you checked all your connections first before worrying about pumps etc.... does it still turn over when you try to start normally?

[speedymacfish]

no.. it will not turn over... i'm going to have to remove the head...

[wiggy]

Anyone else got ideas? starter motor? contacts?

[speedymacfish]

its none of the above...lol its as if its seized.....

[wiggy]

can you do this on a surf? (i know it works on a car but might be totally out on a surf! sorry limited knowledge! lol ) put the gearbox in N and try to turn the engine over using a spanner on the nut for the large bottom pulley. If it turns freely then at least you will know that the engine has not seized up or you will.................. would have thought if you remove the glowplugs you'll be able to turn the engine easier (if it's not seized that is)

[stormforce]

it does sound like a siezed engine.I had the same type of thing on a truck i bought and that would only crank a little each way.When i took the head off all 4 pistons were sat at the bottom of the barrels.
People do say about not putting that type of stuff in the engine as it will cause problems and i'm sorry to say that it sounds like you may have proved them right.
Get the head off and have a look to see if you can see any damage at all

If anyone else thinks of anything different then i'm sure they will post up later

[BUSHWHACKER]

Isn't that stuff 'supposed' to seal cracks in engines? If you've poured that miracle 'cure' into a 2.4 Surf engine then chances are you've buggered it!

How can a liquid thats being pumped around an engine, through the sump, in and out the filter, find a hair-line crack and seal it??!!
If it seals cracks, then by definition it has to solidify at some point.

Either it's seized the oil pump, blocked the injectors or is causing some other locking up of the rotating assemblies.

[speedymacfish]

thanks for all your help boys.... just been in touch with holts about wonderweld....!!! its not meant to be mixed with oil!!!!!!! engine is solid!!!!

[stormforce]

sorry its turned out for the worse for you.What are you going to do now? Are you going to see if you can get another engine for it or just sell it on?

[Apache]

Bit late to say this now, I know, but how on earth did you come to put this in the oil and not the rad? Begs the question why too? Did you have leaks somewhere? It's a heat hardened 'glue' if you like. I suspect your engine is non-recoverably f*cked to be honest.

I used blockweld myself once in a £200 205 with a duff head. Sealed it for a year or so, so well pleased. I must admit I've never heard of anyone adding it to oil before!

[sledge]

sounds to me like an IOTY nomination lol

[NEZ]

Isn't that stuff 'supposed' to seal cracks in engines? If you've poured that miracle 'cure' into a 2.4 Surf engine then chances are you've buggered it!

How can a liquid thats being pumped around an engine, through the sump, in and out the filter, find a hair-line crack and seal it??!!
If it seals cracks, then by definition it has to solidify at some point.

Either it's seized the oil pump, blocked the injectors or is causing some other locking up of the rotating assemblies.

this stuff seals when in contact with air (o2) or oxygen, therefore if there is air getting in somewhere, it will solidify and hey, seized, fixed or what ever.

PEOPLE, NEVER BE CONNED INTO THINKING THESE THINGS WORK! THEY MAY DO IN SOME INSTANCES BUT WHY NOT JUST FIX THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF USING STUFF THAT CAN ONLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS.
think about it logically, i have a problem, i wont fix it but ill make a temp repair as it ronseal it does what it says on the tin, hey presto, problem 1 cured but now what...........

JUST FIX IT PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME.

i worked in the motor trade for 15+ years, dont touch these magic bottles!