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    HELP ! Its a b*stard to start + now a weird problem !?

    I've got a K Reg 2.4TD SSRX 93 import which takes a few goes to start from cold. Anyway not been a problem as it's a second car and only used now and again but put it in a local garage and I've now spent a good few £100's in the garage having new glo plugs fitted plus a general "check over" when they found a "big fuse" had blown and replaced that.

    Anyway this morning I got it started but then when I "let go" of the key the main dash lights stayed on as if I had just turned the key to the ignition point. So .... I am in the car with the engine running BUT the glo plug is beeping continuously AND all the dash warnings lights are still on !

    All I needed to do was drive it out of the drive into the road to turn it around but then ALSO I noticed had no servo assist on the brakes either !

    Has ANYONE ever had a situation like this with ANY car let alone a Surf ?

    Can't drive it with all the warnings lights still on as I don't know what damage that might do plus I cannot stop very well without the servo assist ... what IS going on here ... anyone know ?

    Gary
    Last edited by cashinthebox; 28 March 2008, 13:10.
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    Check the glow plug fuse. It might have blown again.

    Might be being caused by a short in the electrical system if it keeps blowing.

    Weird warning lights is normally a sign that your alternator is on the way out. Check it, check the condition of your batteries, check the fuse and check for shorts.

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    • #3
      as sancho says the fact that the dash lights are staying on points to a problem in the alternator area, you say the brakes have gone rock hard too, so i'm gonna suggest checking your alternator belt is in one piece still - as the alternator and vac pump both run off the same belt, in fact the same pulley, so if the belt is good check that the pulley it's on is not siezed aswell.

      Welcome to the forum btw, where abouts in kent are you?
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      • #4
        Just a thought ..

        Hi all,

        Thanks for the suggestions but not being too mechanically minded I have to suffer just putting cars in the garage and hoping that they know what they are doing while racking up exorbitant £'s per hour on the bill while scratching their heads ?

        So I thought I might be able to cut the bill down by pointing them in the right direction with your suggestions ? As for a pre-amble and it may be unrelated but as you mentioned pulleys & belts ....

        Just prior to this problem I noticed that there was a screeching noise similar to a slipping fanbelt sound occasionally at idle and in low revs. I thought this was through lack of use after they had checked and tightened everything at the garage so I propped up the bonnet and had a look to see if I could isolate where the noise was coming from ?

        As you guys know there are a lot of sounds from these big diesel beasts and I couldn't quite decide where it was coming from so in desperation I just squirted some rubber silicone spray (didn't have any WD40 !) onto anything and everything resembling a belt or a pulley and it worked !

        No more screeching noise ... but THAT was the last thing I did last night before trying to start it this morning and then having the problem I've now got ....... co-incidence or cause do you think ?

        Gary
        Last edited by cashinthebox; 28 March 2008, 13:12.

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        • #5
          The squealing could have been the belt slipping and the lubricant has made it slip more but nice and quiet.

          If the garage has checked it over, or indeed changed some belts before, it may just be that the tensioner for the belt isn't on enough. Take it back and ask them to check. Give it a poke with your finger if you're curious. It should be pretty stiff and hard to move.

          The 'big fuse' is almost certainly the one for the glowplugs and if it's blown will stop them from working. Check it yourself, it's under the bonnet in a black box on the drivers side. It will be marked on top as 80A.

          It doesn't sound like you've got massive problems anyway. There's quite a few members in Kent and one of them may well pop down for a look if you ask nicely.

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          • #6
            drop me an email if you like - ian.shrubb@tesco.net - and i'll pop over and have a quick look see if anything jumps out at me - i'm by no means a mechanic but more than happy to have a quick look
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            • #7
              Before Stormforce tries to ram an alternator down the phone line to you, I have one for sale too!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
                Before Stormforce tries to ram an alternator down the phone line to you, I have one for sale too!
                Oi!
                So do I.....




















                .... Oh! you want one that works??
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
                  Before Stormforce tries to ram an alternator down the phone line to you, I have one for sale too!
                  Originally posted by nero279 View Post
                  Oi!
                  So do I.....

                  .... Oh! you want one that works??


                  Ive got one too!



                  but its bolted safely in my truck! so hands off

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RodLeach View Post
                    Ive got one too!



                    but its bolted safely in my truck! so hands off
                    We're talking about alternators though Rod!



                    Love your avatar by the way, that's one hell of a chunky truck.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
                      Before Stormforce tries to ram an alternator down the phone line to you, I have one for sale too!
                      your ok Vince cause i aint got any left now.well i have got 1 but thats sold with the engine so i better not sell that.....
                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/henpals/

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                      • #12
                        Suggestions ...

                        Hi all,

                        Useful suggestions coming through so thanks for that. I see that someone has an alternator for sale which might be needed (not sure yet though) and a suggestion that the lubricant is making it slip still ... sounds probable so will have a look at that.

                        The lack of servo may be just a slack/slipping belt and not associated at all with the dash lights being on so the above suggestion would still make sense ?

                        Thanks Nero for the offer of help .. might need to take you up on that but will email you if I don't get it sorted soon.

                        Gary
                        Last edited by cashinthebox; 28 March 2008, 13:14.

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                        • #13
                          What you say makes some sense, but it is best to avoid piling up symptoms and possible causes to look for a magic bullet. You need to work through things methodically and eliminate them one by one, moving on to the complicated things like ECUs and ignition systems once you have eliminated the others.

                          Check the belts, check the 80A fuse, check the output of your alternator, check the charge of your batteries. You have an electrical problem - your batteries shouldn't be running down that fast.

                          The fact that you have lost your brakes at the same time as having symptoms consistent with a knackered alternator implies that a belt or pulley is a strong candidate to start with.

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                          • #14
                            The ignition switch has nothing to do with the ECU other than supplying voltage to it.
                            As Sancho says, the first things to check are the belts and 80a fuse, then the wiring on the back of the alt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BUSHWHACKER View Post
                              We're talking about alternators though Rod!



                              Love your avatar by the way, that's one hell of a chunky truck.
                              cheers! i dismissed it as being a bad shot but then when i double checked it i was like... yeeeah! so shrunk it an put it there!

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