Front exhaust pipe heat shield

[MattF]

Just a small query this time. Had to take the Surf through to a garage
to have the front exhaust pipe replaced today as I couldn't get the old
one off. It's been replaced with a Milner's one. However, here's the
question, on the old front pipe, I seem to remember seeing a heat shield
around the top of the front pipe, just below where it connects to the
manifold. The new pipes now on, but that top section of heat shield
around the pipe and the bracket in front of the bulkhead aren't on now.
Is the Milner's exhaust a different design which doesn't allow those bits
to be fitted back on, or have the garage just not been arsed to put them
back on?

Cheers.

[Chillitt]

i've just been molesting that particular bit of the ferrets surf (putting it all back together now ) and i wouldn't blame them one bit if they didn't put it back on....

[MattF]

i've just been molesting that particular bit of the ferrets surf (putting it all back together now ) and i wouldn't blame them one bit if they didn't put it back on....

Is it that bad? I assume it won't be detrimental to the exhaust strength
without that bracket, or the bulkhead without the shield? If it's an excess
but unnecessary couple of bits, I'll stop whittling. Just didn't want to leave
it if it might cause a problem. Cheers Charlie.

[Chillitt]

i think the bracket is essential or the exhaust will get shaken to bits, but heatsheild looks like a whole lot of bother for a little gain. (i'd just like to point out, that i have not taken such a short cut on pauls truck, nor would i. its all exactly as mr toyota intended. yes sir)

[MattF]

i think the bracket is essential or the exhaust will get shaken to bits, but heatsheild looks like a whole lot of bother for a little gain. (i'd just like to point out, that i have not taken such a short cut on pauls truck, nor would i. its all exactly as mr toyota intended. yes sir)

Couldn't get back on the site last night, which probably saved you all
from a miniature novel for a reply. Have phoned them earlier to
ask if they still have the heatshield and top bracket knocking about.
Will find out when the chap who did it gets back in. Worst case
scenario question, is it possible to still get the top bracket under the
flexi-pipe heatshield? Is it possible to fit the pipe heatshield and
bracket back on without removing the exhaust, BTW?

Glad to see you have the perfection streak Charlie. Thanks
once again for your help.

[Chillitt]

the mounting bracket bolts on using 2 bolts on the bell housing so best make sure they are done up asap! i doubt its possible to fit any of them without taking the front pipe off, but i haven't tried to be honest...

[MattF]

the mounting bracket bolts on using 2 bolts on the bell housing so best make sure they are done up asap! i doubt its possible to fit any of them without taking the front pipe off, but i haven't tried to be honest...

Just checked on that Charlie. There is a 14mm bolt missing from what
appears to be a cast mount point on the side of the bell housing, just
for mounting purposes. Is that one of the points? Only other bolts I can
see around that area are a 14mm bolt lower down which actually bolts
the two halves of the bell housing, and a 12mm bolt that goes into the
bell housing at a right angle to the front pipe at the side of it. Is the
second mount point the 12mm bolt? Thanks once again.

[Chillitt]

tell you what, i'll take a picture for you later

[MattF]

tell you what, i'll take a picture for you later

That would be very much appreciated. Thanks ever so much.

[Chillitt]

thats ok. i was going to be under there tonite anyway....

[MattF]

thats ok. i was going to be under there tonite anyway....

I wonder how much time on average we all spend underneath a Surf
each week. I picked up the bits off the old exhaust earlier. Fairly
safe bet that the heatshield ain't going back on. What a phaffy affair
that is. Plus, the clamps are welded onto the original pipe.

Will be having a look to see if I can modify that bracket to fit back on,
though. I get the feeling it's going to involve Jubilee clips to do so.
Apparently, (I didn't see the bit of pipe that it attaches to, the clamps
for the bracket are also welded onto the pipe). I'll await your picture(s)
to make sure I try to put it back in the right place. Thanks once
again Charlie.

[BUSHWHACKER]

hehehe!! I can see this thread going on for another four pages!

[MattF]

hehehe!! I can see this thread going on for another four pages!

Would I............................. ........

[Chillitt]

here you go. there is a second lge bolt on the bell housing, but i couldn't get the camera to it...

[MattF]

here you go. there is a second lge bolt on the bell housing, but i couldn't get the camera to it...

That's lovely. I can see how it goes now. I've got that bracket back
that goes onto the bell housing, so provided the new exhaust has the
same angle at that point, I can run a Jubilee clip around the exhaust
pipe and bracket to clamp the two together. (I hope). Thanks Charlie,
for taking that pic. Your a saviour.

Got the top section back of the old exhaust, just in case I decided to
be brave with that heat shielding and try to pop it back on. I won't be
putting it back on as it does seem very superflous and cosmetic rather
than functional. Very flimsy metal as well. Looks like they were just
trying to use up an excess supply of tin.

One thing I have noticed is that the flexipipe section on the Milner's
exhaust seems to be far better than the original one. On the new one,
it uses the braid type section of flexi, whereas the old pipe is more
like a bimetallic expansion bellows which is far more rigid.

Thanks once again for that pic. Greatly appreciated.