just scared the s**t out of myself!

[Paul Savage]

ok.......

so its a rear wheel drive? Now I understand!
Being an idiot I assumed FWD and brought the rears in on 4WD.

No wonder I lost it - I added power in the bend as I would do on a front wheel drive!!!!!!!!! (infact I booted it half way round the roundabout!)

Ok..OK...so I'm naive and daft.........but now I know RWD I can enjoy the skids rather than thinking somethings wrong.

Donuts here I come..............

[welshsurfer]

hey lads,lasses,
i luv it when it does that......
sold my cosworth last week (constant 4x4) and couldn,t get the ass out on that........
but..... be careful peeps..... be safe.....
be good
CARL

[Koi]

The Surf just needs a little more care in the wet, does anyone remember the Ford Capri or the old 3.0 granada.

As for the back end in the wet, drive it round bends smoothly. If you alter anything whilst cornering it don't like it and will throw it back in your face.
Come of the pedal, put the pedal down or turn the wheel or alter anything and the back end will move whilst cornering, drive it smoothly and it sticks, also suspension on hard setting whilst cornering limits body roll and makes for better cornering.
So just keep it all nce and smooth through/round the bends and it behaves very well, hit or come off the loud pedal, alter the line your taking and you will get the back end moving. As said it is a rear wheel drive car, we have all been spoilt far to long with front wheel drive and traction control, real driving now starts with the Surf.
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[Linda]

Or just hit the gas on purpose, enjoy the slide, and the scared look on the guy in the car behind.....

[keef]

70s fords

Koi.
Doe's this mean that i've got to go back to carrying 2 bags of cement in the boot or driving sensibily??
Actually, i prefer Linda's idea.

[Koi]

Koi.
Doe's this mean that i've got to go back to carrying 2 bags of cement in the boot or driving sensibily??
Actually, i prefer Linda's idea.

Personally I prefer to get the a***e end out and watch peoples faces as near on two ton of motor goes sideways.

[dazzo23]

....... maybe you found a puddle of deisel that truck drivers like Matt like to leave as prezzies for the motorcyclists! ..............

Please..... don't even joke about this one. Have look here and again here to get the strength of feeling about this issue among motorcyclists. Most of us have had an off or a near miss at some time due to a diesel spill, some of us have lost mates as a consequence.

[kitesurf_phil]

Please..... don't even joke about this one. Have look here and again here to get the strength of feeling about this issue among motorcyclists. Most of us have had an off or a near miss at some time due to a diesel spill, some of us have lost mates as a consequence.

I concur with all the above, having taken the elbow out of a leather jacket, whilst on the way to a job interview. I spotted the diesel on the road, tried to straight line through it and carefully turn off the roundabout. It all went horribly wrong!!!!!!! and I didn't get the job

[Vagrant No2]

I was a codriver in a rally car few years back and was on a tarmac stage with slight banking . Prob was it was a Army test track for their vehicles and no one had noticed the diesel spill . It then started to rain and that was it ! Car hit the diesel/rain mix and came off the course into a raised drain cover . Result 1 written off alloy quick rack , last one in country . Supprising how quick control can go .


Rick

[Paul Savage]

thanks

The Surf just needs a little more care in the wet, does anyone remember the Ford Capri or the old 3.0 granada.

As for the back end in the wet, drive it round bends smoothly. If you alter anything whilst cornering it don't like it and will throw it back in your face.
Come of the pedal, put the pedal down or turn the wheel or alter anything and the back end will move whilst cornering, drive it smoothly and it sticks, also suspension on hard setting whilst cornering limits body roll and makes for better cornering.
So just keep it all nce and smooth through/round the bends and it behaves very well, hit or come off the loud pedal, alter the line your taking and you will get the back end moving. As said it is a rear wheel drive car, we have all been spoilt far to long with front wheel drive and traction control, real driving now starts with the Surf.
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Thanks for that KOI. That is what I needed to know. I have a new Toyota Corolla Verso - which appears to glue itself to the road - and it therefore makes the surf feel very unsteady by comparison. But I shall try not to accellerate out of bends in the surf and take roundabouts at a slower speed.

Can someone enlighten me - what is the benefit of rear wheel drive?

[keef]

Paul
The benefits of rear wheel drive are mainly that if you do get it out of shape you stand a chance of regaining control whereas if the front loses traction the momentum and centrafugal force will cause a resultant force which will cause the vehicle to head to the offside of the road.In the dry accelerating SMOOTHLY into a bend will actually increase traction by causing the vehicle to "settle" at the rear.
Hope that helps.
Keef

[MAD4IT]

no brakes

Paul
The benefits of rear wheel drive are mainly that if you do get it out of shape you stand a chance of regaining control whereas if the front loses traction the momentum and centrafugal force will cause a resultant force which will cause the vehicle to head to the offside of the road.In the dry accelerating SMOOTHLY into a bend will actually increase traction by causing the vehicle to "settle" at the rear.
Hope that helps.
Keef

I think wot you are trying to say in simpler terms is nice smooth acceleration and NO BRAKINGYou could end up going backwards!!!!!!!!!!

[rich]

Not a good idea to accelerate into a bend. The idea is to have a balanced car before turning i.e. all braking sorted, a balanced throttle through the bend (To apex) and then smooth acceleration out of it.

Mind you this is fine on a racetrack where you can take the correct line in. On the road it is like Koi says, smooth and balanced all the way through.

Admittedly with a Surf it can be necessary to accelerate to keep it balanced because of the weight. This just highlights the need to be going slower into the bend.

R.

[TonyN]

Please..... don't even joke about this one. Have look here and again here to get the strength of feeling about this issue among motorcyclists. Most of us have had an off or a near miss at some time due to a diesel spill, some of us have lost mates as a consequence.

Thats why I bought it up, its a reason for unexpected slides in the wet, my Dad was a biker for years, we know all about it. That why even in a car I always look out for rainbow patterns in the road in the wet.

[keef]

Not a good idea to accelerate into a bend. The idea is to have a balanced car before turning i.e. all braking sorted, a balanced throttle through the bend (To apex) and then smooth acceleration out of it.

Mind you this is fine on a racetrack where you can take the correct line in. On the road it is like Koi says, smooth and balanced all the way through.

Admittedly with a Surf it can be necessary to accelerate to keep it balanced because of the weight. This just highlights the need to be going slower into the bend.

R.

Sorry mate, Just paraphrasing "ROADCRAFT"-Police drivers manual(isbn011340721 1).It's a very dry read but explains how to get in and out of bends safely.The gist of it is-No SUDDEN braking or acceleration. Maybe a surf aint the best truck to try accelerating into bends with but the principle is the same with any motor.It works(honestly)