Union Strikes

[meooo]

ALBATROSS


Come and get your ALBATROSS....



Stormy Petrol on a stick.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8

[gwh200]

Kate Jennings...unison person. Reckons clarksons remarks were an incitement to hatred and he should be jailed!

Well Kate Jennings, you bundle of laughs you, I bet you did it once and didn't like it.
Try it sometime you repressed, comfortable shoe wearing, joyless, harridan.

[flounderbout]

Still waiting for a suggestion where all this money that we all ought to get paid should come from...

Cancelling MPs salaries etc should be good for about £10m. That only leaves £167.89bn out of the £167.9bn that will be this year's deficit alone (never mind the accrued debt). Nearly there!

Perhaps a big jumble sale?

[sabreuk]

Still waiting for a suggestion where all this money that we all ought to get paid should come from...

Cancelling MPs salaries etc should be good for about £10m. That only leaves £167.89bn out of the £167.9bn that will be this year's deficit alone (never mind the accrued debt). Nearly there!

Perhaps a big jumble sale?

hmmm hows about we dont send £40bn to greece a country that doesnt want to be in the euro hmmmm or sending £bns to pakistan for schooling to find out they spent it on there army now theres an idea

[flounderbout]

hmmm hows about we dont send £40bn to greece a country that doesnt want to be in the euro hmmmm or sending £bns to pakistan for schooling to find out they spent it on there army now theres an idea

1) There's no proposed contribution to Greece from the UK at the moment unless something has changed recently. According to figures from the Bank for International Settlements, UK banks hold $3.4bn (£2.1) worth of Greek sovereign debt, compared with banks in Germany, which hold $22.6bn (£14.1), and France, which hold $15bn (£9.3). That level of debt could increase up to circa $30bn, but that is most unlikely in presennt circs given the likelihood of a default.


2) Scratch foreign aid budget. I'm with you there. That's about £2.5bn pa over the next four years.

Down to £165bn odd.

[frontman]

smurfL6
I don't think this is a size issue

Many in the private sector have been affected

I chose to work in the career I do because of the security and pension. You all made your choice to work in the private sector.
"YOU ALL MADE YOUR CHOICE TO WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR" So Feck you I'm going on strike.

My wife works for the NHS

It's not hate, It's the stupidity of playing into the governments hands and I certainly don't hate my wife.

sabreuk

Frontman not having a go at ya but £31.50 compared to the days pay the strikers lost plus any overtime any of them earned plus the an overtime ban for the next month after the strike day on top of everything else civil servants have lost upto this point like the pay freezes etc

No you decided to give up your days pay. I had no choice over my £31.50 !
Pay Freeze, just like us all.

The strikers haven't got anything else to give now. the pension was the last straw for them but it does effect your state pension as I said before and your retirement age will go to 67.

Just like us all

In my opinion it's the senior civil servants (mp etc) that need to take all of the above and ban them all from claiming state money for holidays, houses, cars, servants etc normal working class civil servants are struggling to survive just as much as public sector workers.

Just like us all

The media is very good at twisting things to make a story but they don't report the full issue, just what they want you to see, when was the last time you something positive or a happy story reported??? It's always doom and gloom.

Because we're ALL in the Sh1t

Why is it ok for the bankers to use our money on stocks etc to make them more money? It's ok until they make the wrong decision and who then gets the bill????? The tax payer but they still manage to make millions and have there massive bonuses etc your targeting working class people with the same brush as the bankers and mp,s and that's why discussions like this get out of hand and people get shirty quickly as the full facts are not always as clear as what's reported.

You just don't get the point, it's all working class folk, me, you. But if you do get back your pensions, index linked pay rises and all the other stuff, what happens to me? Are you going to knock on my door and hand over my £31.50? Will you show solidarity and strike to get my pension/wage rise back?
And as for "the full facts are not always clear" You patronising Tw@t ! I have a mortgage and a 2 and a half year old daughter that took 8 years and 6 tries at IVF to get, paid for privately when some fat ####### can get a gastric band on the NHS ! I DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.

[JD_975]

not that important realy so fire service,police,nhs,mod have to get over there selfs............

No Sir, despite your feelings, should any member of the above services stand down, there are several thousand people waiting to take the place, many equally as qualified and capable and willing to take the new terms of employment

well ok then maybe we should strike indefinatley then, when everybody turns around and wants there fire putting out or they want there life saving with the nhs or your house is being burgled maybe we should just think #### it WE ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

If you are in such a position to put lives at risk by not being at work when you are fit to be at work and still go on strike despite the risk then you are beneath contempt

oh but then that would be different then wouldnt it, if i recall when the riots were going on who did the PRIVATE SECTOR want to stop all there property and livlihoods from being destroyed oh its coming clear now the police that was it and then oh wait didnt people want the army to come in uh huh.

Different argument really, culture failure, whatever, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place and I think both sides of the fence can agree on that, I dont think I was unreasonable in expecting people to do the jobs they were employed to do although I do have the utmost respect for the people who helped sort this out, horrible thing to add to our country's history

the strikes were to show that civil servants cant give no more and why the hell should we. if it was the other way around and it was your life styles and your financal future being sold off beacuse the government cant sort there spending and borowing would that be ok i realy dont think so.................

Why the hell should you indeed, well perhaps because the country is in economic melt down and can no longer afford to come good on the sentiments of old? Perhaps because something somewhere has to give, and the private sector has been stripped of everything it has to give? Perhaps it`s time to man up and say yes, we have had it good for a long time but now it`s time we joined the rest of them in not having an assured future and just doing the best we can?

i do sympathise with what you described but that is what we are dealing with have been for years its just not reported as said above. we are made to look like the bad ones which isnt the case at all and this is what its about there is a clear split between civil and private the unions joined forces as the months of negotiations failed. and the result private think we are being selfish and greedy and the government end up getting votes to stay in office with the extra support from the private sector its a big game but at the end of it TAX PAYERS will always loose weather private or civil unless we stick together as a country.

Ultimately you are correct, tax payers of all kinds will have to pay for this, the point being in the private sector we have already lost our concessions, so why would we support you in your fight to keep something we dont have and are paying for out of our own pockets? Especially considering some have lost money due to your actions

On a personal note I dont know you, I`m sure you are a spot on person and I have no wish to fall out with you, it`s a red hot subject with some dramatic clashes of opinion, which at the end of the day we are all entitled too, makes the world interesting eh?

[flounderbout]

PEANUTS THERE JUNGLE FRESH....CADBURYS TAKE THEM AND COVER THEM IN CHOCOLATE

ice cream pop corn coke
snails entrails, otters noses

guy fawkes had a great idea me thinks

Get out of the way Thrifty. This is just getting spicy.

[JD_975]

sabreuk

Frontman not having a go at ya but £31.50 compared to the days pay the strikers lost plus any overtime any of them earned plus the an overtime ban for the next month after the strike day on top of everything else civil servants have lost upto this point like the pay freezes etc

No you decided to give up your days pay. I had no choice over my £31.50 !
Pay Freeze, just like us all.

Exactly!

[sabreuk]

You just don't get the point, it's all working class folk, me, you. But if you do get back your pensions, index linked pay rises and all the other stuff, what happens to me? Are you going to knock on my door and hand over my £31.50? Will you show solidarity and strike to get my pension/wage rise back?
And as for "the full facts are not always clear" You patronising Tw@t ! I have a mortgage and a 2 and a half year old daughter that took 8 years and 6 tries at IVF to get, paid for privately when some fat ####### can get a gastric band on the NHS ! I DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.

um duh i do get the point have i not said it effects us ALL not just the civil sector. if you join a union and stike with the rest of us then yes we will be striking with you.

the civil sector has stuck together on this through the unions there is no reason why the public sector can not do the same and fight for there issues aswell.

oh but i will knock on your door if you like and have a chat about the #### comment there was no need for that and i was not patronising you in any way shape size or form so that was unessercery 100%

as for the ivf why you decide to bring that up in an open forum which is not linked to what i was trying to say i dont know, i suggest you re read my post.
i was suggesting that the media has not shown the full story to whats actualy been happening just the bits they want people to see i WAS NOT saying YOU do not know the full facts or anybody else.

however on the ivf thing take this as its ment im glad it worked out good for you and you have a healthy child, im not all clued on how the nhs works but it sucks that you have to pay privatly to have that type of treatment. and agree with you on the gastric band thing if its a genetic thing then i can understand but if its just a fat mc donalds eating git that got them selfs that way then they should sort them selfs out and not waste resoursces for treatments that was there own doing.

[Chillitt]

However you feel about this issue, threatening to 'visit' someone over it is completely out of order. Lets try and keep this civil..

[Karma Supra]

It does make me chuckle....

I am private sector, I work 9 hour days (officially I usually do more), and have not had a pay rise in 5 years, again with no view for getting one soon. I don't have a pension because I can't afford to lose any of my salary. Personally, I’m happy to have a job with career prospects where those that can rise above the rest will eventually be rewarded.

As part of my job I occasionally work on site, in councils, schools etc and I have never seen such a bunch of slackers... they mill about for at least 45 mins at the start of the day gossiping and drinking coffee... and at about 5 to 5 the entire office absolutely vacates. This isn't one site, but a few. I'm also amazed at how little work they seem to do... On client (a council) apologised for it being "so hectic". The phone rang no more than once an hour... and no one looked like they were doing anything, just mooching around gossiping. If I was that slack, I’d get sacked.

Another site, (a college) had a health and safety rep going around in her high vis jacket and clip board TRAINING PEOPLE HOW TO SIT IN THEIR CHAIRS!!

As above I think people should like it or lump it, even with the "pay freeze and cuts" in most cases Public sector workers are still getting it easy. The recent changes if anything are to "bring things in line".

I wish I could find the stats, but somewhere there was a figure for the extra amount of public sector employees brought about by the last government, it was up a massive percentage, many of which I am sure are superfluous jobs, (like health and safety execs) all getting the same great deals... the "pot" is not infinite, money does not grow on trees... something has to give to balance things out.. Either have fewer people working harder for better benefits, or more people to spread the work load, but more mouths to feed mean there will inevitably be less to go round.

What made me laugh was some idiot saying “public pensions shouldn’t be worse... you should fight to make private sector deals better to bring them in line” - Really? And the funds come from what magic money tree?
“But public sector people pay tax too” – Correct. Where do you wages come from again??

I think it is all part of the whole, sticking "something for nothing" mess. Lets not get me started on benefits scum! getting shot of that lot would free up some dosh.... and what about the "international aid" we send out... the massive ammount we have given (and are still giving) india, who have a space program and an airfoce of plane the we can't afford...

What happened to the Dockers, miners and motor industry again?

[meooo]

And I might add, I've had no pay rises for 8 years...


I reckon , if all the legal folk ( )and all the do-gooders and P.C. folk were deported the country would save a few quid because we could all get on and actually ACHIEVE something.

Look at India for example, no elf an safety, no politically correct do gooders and a projected growth rate of 9.5% as opposed to our 0.7%


Did I mention the Lifeboat crews....they were unable to practise last night, because they couldn't be guaranteed coastguard cover....they were on strike

[sabreuk]

On a personal note I dont know you, I`m sure you are a spot on person and I have no wish to fall out with you, it`s a red hot subject with some dramatic clashes of opinion, which at the end of the day we are all entitled too, makes the world interesting eh?

mate im not trying to fall out with anybody everyone so far has put there two pennith in against the strikes im putting our point across as to why.

on the man up thing we are manning up and fighting for our futures. we have given everything we possibly can and are struggling as much as everyone else, we are not bad people because we work in the civil sector you guys arnt bad people being private.

if we all unite and fight together rather than this bickering between us all everyone could benefit. so long as there is this divide and civil sector being blamed for loss of £31.50 etc nothing is going to change and the efforts are wasted by everyone.

im not in the unions due to queens regs etc but i do support the effort at least action was taken right or wrong on either opinion it happend and showed people are fed up doing all the giving.

[sabreuk]

However you feel about this issue, threatening to 'visit' someone over it is completely out of order. Lets try and keep this civil..

i did say we could have a chat about it, ive been civil throughout this the #### comment was not nice or needed and honestly i wont tolerate being called anything other than my name which is only respect for myself. i havent been nasty or vindictive so maybe comment on the provocotive sentence used.............