Tempted By A Shogun

[Apache]

Not so bad. I started looking at Jeep Grand Cherokees! You seen what you get for the money you'd pay for a ratty, basic 3rd gen?

A big V8, leather, satnav 5 years younger etc etc etc. The letdown is they break a lot, and in expensive ways, according to the reviews.

[greeley]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-HILUX-S...item415469ca04



got a few miles on it but cheap,theres a few on ebay,i dont know how much you got to spend

[JUDWAK]

Not so bad. I started looking at Jeep Grand Cherokees! You seen what you get for the money you'd pay for a ratty, basic 3rd gen?

A big V8, leather, satnav 5 years younger etc etc etc. The letdown is they break a lot, and in expensive ways, according to the reviews.

its true
and 2 full tanks of petrol to get from london to rotherham

[slobodan]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-HILUX-S...item415469ca04



got a few miles on it but cheap,theres a few on ebay,i dont know how much you got to spend

Says she wanted easier access into the back! ooh err missus.

[tintin]

My Mrs was dead set on a Shogun - until she drove one ...

Feels like driving a lorry and gutless to boot - the Challenger/Shogun Sport is much better to drive but it's still totally gutless

But it's your choice

I had a lwb 3ltr V6 shitgun for a while, it was crap, BUT it certainly wasn't gutless!!!!!!! Went like shat off a shovel

[Vultch]

Not so bad. I started looking at Jeep Grand Cherokees! You seen what you get for the money you'd pay for a ratty, basic 3rd gen?

A big V8, leather, satnav 5 years younger etc etc etc. The letdown is they break a lot, and in expensive ways, according to the reviews.

I'v been looking at those too, after a lift in a mates... nice wagon lots of toys... I think the CRD diesel is a Merc engine..

[JUDWAK]

i have drove one
it was a v6 i think
it felt nice a bit strange lots of grunt for a big shoe box
i did not like it
driving seat felt like it would give me back ache in no time

5 mile turning curcle felt like a shoe box
i found it was nicely lay out in side
but has for the whole rounder the hilux beats it hands down
in my opinon

[Scorpion]

Not so bad. I started looking at Jeep Grand Cherokees! You seen what you get for the money you'd pay for a ratty, basic 3rd gen?

A big V8, leather, satnav 5 years younger etc etc etc. The letdown is they break a lot, and in expensive ways, according to the reviews.

Oh you sod! I was joking about the Shogun but now I've been looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 CD and I'm really tempted.

Merc engine, reliable if well seviced and a very nice interior. I'm looking at the 2002 model so unfortunately it'll be £400 a year road tax.

[Predictable Bob]

I had a lwb 3ltr V6 shitgun for a while, it was crap, BUT it certainly wasn't gutless!!!!!!! Went like shat off a shovel

Fair comment - I was actually referring to the 2.5 and the 2.8 oil burners but it would have helped if I'd actually said that ...

It's my age I think !

[si tate]

Oh you sod! I was joking about the Shogun but now I've been looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 CD and I'm really tempted.

Merc engine, reliable if well seviced and a very nice interior. I'm looking at the 2002 model so unfortunately it'll be £400 a year road tax.

A mate of mine has one & he swears by it & it's nice inside with plenty of toys & gizmos.

Im not convinced.

[BUSHWHACKER]

Oh you sod! I was joking about the Shogun but now I've been looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 CD and I'm really tempted.

Merc engine, reliable if well seviced and a very nice interior. I'm looking at the 2002 model so unfortunately it'll be £400 a year road tax.

There's a guy on the Lextreme forum with a 2001 Jeep Cherokee, 3.1 TDI who's ripping the diesel lump out and replacing it with a Lexus V8. Not for the reasons you would think, but because the diesel engine is so unbelievably shite!
Apparently, the Jeeps are a good truck, well built with a good chassis, but the engines/ gearboxes let them down.

[MadcapMagician]

There's a guy on the Lextreme forum with a 2001 Jeep Cherokee, 3.1 TDI who's ripping the diesel lump out and replacing it with a Lexus V8. Not for the reasons you would think, but because the diesel engine is so unbelievably shite!
Apparently, the Jeeps are a good truck, well built with a good chassis, but the engines/ gearboxes let them down.

My dad has one. It's uncomfortable as hell. He loves it, though. And I have to agree with Bushwhacker - the engine, though awesomely powerful (he has a 4.0 V8 IIRC) is nowhere near as reliable as the Surf's is.

As for Shoguns, I've looked at 4 Pajeros over the last 5 days, from Chesham to Essex, and Hemel to Guildford...and I'm buying (hopefully) a 3 litre Surf SSR-X tomorrow, instead. Honestly, I have never seen such rubbish! The Paj is fully loaded...but bear in mind that means there's more to go wrong. None of them had the aircon working in the rear, so I assume that's a common fault. All of them had electrical faults of one kind or another...nah, I'm sticking to Surfs.

[Koi]

My mate has a Shogun and whilst it does feel a bit more powered than the surf I still don't like it.
I find the seating position very awkward, it has leather seats and I have never moved around on a leather seat so much when it goes round corners, badly I must add. Just feels so like your on a boat.
My mate will admit that he wishes the Shogun was as comfortable as the Surf and as good on the twisty stuff. He also prefers the overall stance of the Surf not as high as the Shogun (probably slightly lower COG why it doesnt roll as much).
More load room in the Surf without those Huge wheel arches protruding in to the load area.