Toyotas Troubles...

[laser_jock99]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ847...layer_embedded

[Vultch]

You would think if its the software, the engine module would flag a accelerator and brake command as suspect and override the accelerator command.

[steved]

On the Can bus system used on the later Toyota's and any other modern car every item connected to the ecu is given a unique register these are sent twice down the high and low can wires to eliminate interferance alongside a check bit for verification the ecu then checks the parameters received against
expected data and only acts if it receives what it expected to receive, the problem could be that the ecu is wrongly identifying the registers from another item of equipment as a speed signal which in theory cannot happen because to many other items that rely data related to speed would be affected ie gear changes, speed sensitive steering and the fault would be very apparent, or the throttle module is misinterpreting the command from the ecu and opening up to much but once again the can system being two way the ecu would then identify the throttle as being open to far and attempt to rectify it.
Of course if the problem is mechanical the more likely option then the ecu can do nothing about it.

Still if I get done for speeding in my Surf which is a fly by wire model can I claim the engine ran away

[nigel129]

Hmmm First Pearl Harbour, Now Toyota,

[Vultch]

so commands must be serial data and sent send down the high and low lines (balanced) with a check bit. It would seem thats a fairly robust system
It just i wonder if its the programming itself.
you would thing that the brain / ECU had a override command and would sense the simultaneous accelerate and brake command and think.... 'what's all this then' ....brake takes priority...

[steved]

I have heard from a fairly informed source that apparently the problem is in the mechanical aspect of the pedal and the fix is a small washer.

[NiftyNev]

I have heard from a fairly informed source that apparently the problem is in the mechanical aspect of the pedal and the fix is a small washer.

The washer (or shim as I have heard) is just one problem which has something to do with the mechanical aspect of some accellerator pedals on some vehicles but they also have problems with the software on other vehicles. All to complicated for me and way too much electronics on cars these days.

Toyota will sort this out, but has a far worse problem with the US trying to sabotage them and use this as a means to try and badmouth Toyota and salvage some of there own vehicle manufacturing industry disaster.

Nev

[Fricfrac]

All my cars are old,no electronic gizmos.I like that............

[Vultch]

Agree with Nev above, had the problem being with a US car or even Rover or french i suspect the problem would have been hidden or buried/denied to the death

[Nukes25]

the one thing that gets me about this whole acceleration problem... ok, they say their brakes arent working, and the vehicle is accelerating... why dont they pop it in neutral so theres no more acceleration, then maybe the foot brakes will work, if not, theres the EMERGENCY brakes...? isnt that what they're for?
I've had to do that when my 85's throttle cable stuck open and I was accelerating :P lol
before they go jumping down the manufacturers throats.. why dont they look at the level and quality of drivers training thats being given as well..

[cfrizzy]

I went to my father in laws funeral on monday and nobody seened to want to go in front of me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the driving a toyota with a bullbar.

[PDR]

We are all OK:

Models affected by the recall:

AYGO (Feb 2005 - Aug 2009)
Only MMT and Manual with VSC*

iQ (Nov 2008 - Nov 2009)

Yaris (Nov 2005 - Sep 2009)

Auris (Oct 2006 - 5 Jan 2010)

Corolla (Oct 2006 - Dec 2009)

Verso (Feb 2009 - 5 Jan 2010)

Avensis (Nov 2008 - Dec 2009)

Models NOT affected:

AYGO Manual without VSC*
RAV4
Urban Cruiser
Avensis Verso
Corolla Verso
Celica
MR2
Prius
Previa
Land Cruiser
Land Cruiser Amazon
Land Cruiser V8
Hilux
Hiace
Dyna
Any pre-2005 Toyota

[adpsimpson]

before they go jumping down the manufacturers throats.. why dont they look at the level and quality of drivers training thats being given as well..

I'm all for this method. In all seriousness. How many people have been killed? And all because they didn't, you know, take the key out. Stick it in neutral. Pull the hand brake.

While there is a problem with the cars, which should be fixed, the mass hysteria and panic is a little bit pathetic.

[cfrizzy]

We are all OK:

Models affected by the recall:

AYGO (Feb 2005 - Aug 2009)
Only MMT and Manual with VSC*

iQ (Nov 2008 - Nov 2009)

Yaris (Nov 2005 - Sep 2009)

Auris (Oct 2006 - 5 Jan 2010)

Corolla (Oct 2006 - Dec 2009)

Verso (Feb 2009 - 5 Jan 2010)

Avensis (Nov 2008 - Dec 2009)

Models NOT affected:

AYGO Manual without VSC*
RAV4
Urban Cruiser
Avensis Verso
Corolla Verso
Celica
MR2
Prius
Previa
Land Cruiser
Land Cruiser Amazon
Land Cruiser V8
Hilux
Hiace
Dyna
Any pre-2005 Toyota

that didnt stop the driver of the herse looking worried he had to go in front of me.

[zerohero]

.....they don't make 'em like they used to...