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  • #16
    Originally posted by PDR View Post
    Off the top of my head, the 2.4 has about 85 bhp, 3.0 140 bhp and the V6 petrol has 150 bhp...... so yes, the 2.4’s are SLOW
    A little less than 140BHP for the 3.0L and a more than 85 BHP for the 2.4 I thought?

    You can really feel the love for the 2.4 here Of course the 3.0 is more powerful but it don’t mean the 2.4 if you have a good one is SH!T
    It’s the 3.0L’s round my way that have done there heads in. If you have the up rated head on the 2.4 and keep it looked after it can be a good reliable friend I say! 25k I’ve done on mine and it isn’t that slow and gives me around 24mpg. Roughly the same as any other 2.4/5 in its class I guess. The only hassles I have had with it have been the ones I’ve caused…

    If I was to buy another surf I would buy the 3.0L but I am happy with the size of my tool. My wife’s rover 414 would still out run the 3.0L (they are not that quick it’s a big truck) I have never driven the 150BHP petrol I am sure it goes well at a heavy $ though!

    Guess it depends what you need form your transport. If I had a V8 in mine I’d still not drive any faster in a truck the size of surf, I’d be too busy listening to it to drive it I reckon.

    Slow is a series Land Rover 2¼ Diesel
    Last edited by Mrbill; 8 October 2009, 23:47.

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    • #17
      So how do you check to see if either the 2.4 or 3.0 has had a modified head fitted?
      Really not sure now lol. I'm going to have a traders policy soon hopefully so i could just get something else small and quick to run along side it lol.

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      • #18
        I dont think the 3.0 has head 'issues' as such, so a replacement head would be just that. It's just prone to the same faults as other cars of that age.

        However, the original 2.4 heads had a design fault, so when they're replaced they tend to be replaced with a slightly different design which should make them as reliable as a normal 3.0.
        Cutting steps in the roof of the world

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Apache View Post
          I dont think the 3.0 has head 'issues' as such,
          Denial is a wonderful beast. They'll be keeling over in droves, (as we predicted), before you 3.0L bunch admit to it.

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          • #20
            If you read on, you'll see I'm saying they dont have issues beyond what any 15 year old car has.

            Not like the 2.4, which blows up if there happens to be a 'Y' in the day - and when it's working moves with all the speed of continental drift!
            Cutting steps in the roof of the world

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MattF View Post
              Denial is a wonderful beast. They'll be keeling over in droves, (as we predicted), before you 3.0L bunch admit to it.
              The oracle has spoken

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              • #22
                well been talking to the chap with the cheap 2.4 and as far as he's aware its has never had the head changed.
                Take it a new head isn't cheap for one of these?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Co-Pang-Yang View Post
                  well been talking to the chap with the cheap 2.4 and as far as he's aware its has never had the head changed.
                  Take it a new head isn't cheap for one of these?
                  http://www.roughtrax4x4.com/?doc=16&cid=614&vid=555

                  Everything in life is relative...

                  For me, this is relatively expensive.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Co-Pang-Yang View Post
                    well been talking to the chap with the cheap 2.4 and as far as he's aware its has never had the head changed.
                    Take it a new head isn't cheap for one of these?
                    no,funnily enough my 3.0 head just went,u can fix it on the cheap for prob 500 in parts,garage on here £1050,or as i just did all gen parts including water pump,cambelt etc 995 in parts alone

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                    • #25
                      Ouch lol!

                      Did see a couple of nice lloks truck appear on ebay yesterday:

                      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

                      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

                      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

                      Though i'm eyeing up Shoguns as my mate turned up in his new one last night lol.

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                      • #26
                        Apart from the usual used car things to look for, pay close attention to cooling system... Does the coolnt look good, has it had regular stat and cap etc. Keeping an eye on, and servicing your coolant system will ensure years of trouble free operation... And keep mattf off your back
                        Non intercooled nothing.

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                        • #27
                          Anyone would think I have a coolant system fetish...

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                          • #28
                            Ok that i understand, would i be right in thinking a neglected coolant system is the main reason for needing the head replaced?
                            Any tail tail signs of coolant neglect? Said about the stat and cap, how can you tell if they've been replaced regulary?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Co-Pang-Yang View Post
                              Ok that i understand, would i be right in thinking a neglected coolant system is the main reason for needing the head replaced?
                              Any tail tail signs of coolant neglect? Said about the stat and cap, how can you tell if they've been replaced regulary?
                              always looked after mine,but it got hot towing my icckle caravan,tell tale sign for me was pushing water back out of expansion tank,and water turned to rust colour

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Co-Pang-Yang View Post
                                Ok that i understand, would i be right in thinking a neglected coolant system is the main reason for needing the head replaced?
                                Any tail tail signs of coolant neglect? Said about the stat and cap, how can you tell if they've been replaced regulary?
                                A poorly maintained coolant system is one possible cause of head failures, but there are others too. General overall maintenance has an effect, not just the coolant system, though that does tend to get the brunt of the neglect. All of the following, (whether 2.4L or 3.0L), can contribute to head failure:

                                Coolant, rad cap and thermostat.
                                Radiator being clogged internally or externally.
                                Coolant system or hoses being clogged internally.
                                Faulty water pump.
                                Incorrectly functioning viscous hub.
                                Worn or low A.T.F or low engine oil.
                                Poor combustion.
                                Poor maintenance on the drivetrain in general.

                                The list pretty much goes on. If the vehicles have had 15+ years of neglect, you can imagine what effect it can have. Even now you still see pics with Surf's which have the original Jap rad cap on, for example, so they obviously haven't been serviced thoroughly.

                                Whether you get a 3.0 or a 2.4, you're taking a leap of faith once you have checked for the obvious basics, unless they can produce a piece of paper proving they've had a new/uprated head fitted. Ignore the doomsayers advice that one is better than the other. The same advice applies to both.

                                For example, at the moment on here, we have one member with a 2.4 and a dodgy head and two members with a 3.0 and a dodgy head. Those numbers speak for themselves. Neither engine is immune.

                                Good and regular maintenance is the key. Period.
                                Last edited by MattF; 9 October 2009, 15:58.

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