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  • #16
    More info.................


    McLaren: No choice but to appeal

    By Jonathan NobleSunday, September 7th 2008, 17:37 GMT

    McLaren have said that they had no option but to register their intention to appeal against Lewis Hamilton's penalty at the Belgian Grand Prix after data showed the Briton had backed off to let Kimi Raikkonen through on the start-finish straight.
    Hamilton cut the chicane two laps from home at Spa-Francorchamps and, after taking the lead, slowed to let Raikkonen back through.
    However, after retaking the lead almost immediately, the race stewards felt that Hamilton had still gained an advantage from running off the track.
    McLaren have revealed that Hamilton was 6 km/h slower than Raikkonen as they crossed the start/finish line - which is why they felt they needed to register their intention appeal.
    A McLaren spokesman said: "We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards. It showed that, having lifted, Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start/finish line.
    "Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned his car, moving across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line and then outbraked him into the hairpin. Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal."
    The team have also made it clear that their focus will now switch to next weekend's Italian Grand Prix, on Ferrari's home turf in Monza.
    "We are a racing team and now focus on Monza, with a view to extending our lead in the drivers' world championship," added the spokesman.
    According to the regulations, McLaren have eight days to confirm in writing their appeal, and then the FIA will call a hearing of the International Court of Appeal for the earliest possible date.
    There are some doubts about whether McLaren are allowed to appeal against a drive-through penalty, which means the Court of Appeal may first have to decide at its hearing whether or not the appeal is admissible.
    ' You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.'

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    • #17
      Originally posted by UDTrev View Post
      No email contact there, that's why I hit ITV, so they could pass it on.

      If they get a load of emails then there's bound to be comments to the poison dwarf Ecclestone & adolf Mossley.
      With tw@ts like these, why bother with courtesy Trev? Use their website admin address:

      admin@fiacommunications.com

      After their admin gets ####ed off with the e-mails, he'll start forwarding them somewhere.

      Or, to really #### everyone off, their admin address goes to these people:

      http://greencathedral.com/
      http://greencathedral.com/contact.html

      Their site admin address is:

      admin@greencathedral.com


      If they're gonna have an external company masking them, who are we to argue?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MattF View Post
        With tw@ts like these, why bother with courtesy Trev? Use their website admin address:

        admin@fiacommunications.com

        After their admin gets ####ed off with the e-mails, he'll start forwarding them somewhere.

        Or, to really #### everyone off, their admin address goes to these people:

        http://greencathedral.com/
        http://greencathedral.com/contact.html

        Their site admin address is:

        admin@greencathedral.com


        If they're gonna have an external company masking them, who are we to argue?
        done

        BUT

        The fia addy gets rejected


        Trev
        Look out Eastbourne, the Pandas are coming !

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        • #19
          Originally posted by UDTrev View Post
          done

          BUT

          The fia addy gets rejected
          One address which should never be rejected is postmaster.

          Just gonna try that admin@fiacommunications address now from here. That is the one which gets rejected?

          Edit: I'll just add that using the postmaster@fia.com address would be flagrant abuse of it's intended purpose, but, can anyone see the irony emerging there........

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MattF View Post
            One address which should never be rejected is postmaster.

            Just gonna try that admin@fiacommunications address now from here. That is the one which gets rejected?

            Edit: I'll just add that using the postmaster@fia.com address would be flagrant abuse of it's intended purpose, but, can anyone see the irony emerging there........
            Irony ?

            From you ?

            NEVER !!!

            Since when would you use Irony ?


            Trev
            Look out Eastbourne, the Pandas are coming !

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            • #21
              The fiacommunications address worked from here Trev.

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              • #22
                Time to do a standard letter then as i'm too p1ssed to do one
                ' You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.'

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MattF View Post
                  The fiacommunications address worked from here Trev.
                  I'll take that back. B@stards bounced it. From this domain was the mail returned, might I just add. One might suggest they intentionally make it nigh on impossible to contact them.

                  http://rallyingagainstracism.com

                  The admin info for that domain leads to this site:

                  http://igentics.com/

                  Puts Spaghetti Junction to shame does their setup for being convoluted.
                  Last edited by MattF; 7 September 2008, 20:35.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BioHazard View Post
                    Time to do a standard letter then as i'm too p1ssed to do one
                    No p1ss taking please. I decided to sod the subtlety for this one. This is the complete message I sent:

                    Due to their not being a visible e-mail contact address other than the
                    site admin e-mail address for the FIA site, I trust you will forward
                    this to the respective department or person.

                    Can I just point out that your highly visible methods of penalising
                    McLaren whilst allowing Ferrari to practically do as they wish goes
                    beyond merely pathetic. You have finally managed to make it blatantly
                    obvious that F1, as a sport, is as bent as a nine bob note, and does
                    not deserve to be able to call itself a sport any more.

                    The stewards judgement today with regards to Lewis Hamilton is
                    gross bias and nothing more. It is nothing more than disgusting and
                    blatant rigging of the results.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MattF View Post
                      No p1ss taking please. I decided to sod the subtlety for this one. This is the complete message I sent:
                      And which address??
                      ' You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.'

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BioHazard View Post
                        And which address??
                        I've just sent a second e-mail to the postmaster@fia.com address, as I decided to give them a bollocking for accepting e-mail and then rejecting it afterwards. Half tempted to put a report through to one of the more obnoxious RBL's for that one, just for the sake of annoyance.

                        It's an abuse of the postmaster address as such, but if they aren't going to publish a valid contact e-mail address, plus then have the indecency to pull a trick like that, (which really is a big 'don't do' with smtp), I ain't gonna lose no sleep over it. They can't follow standards, so why should they have that courtesy given to them?

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                        • #27
                          now copied and sent
                          ' You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.'

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                          • #28


                            Far be it for me to suggest that modern communications are ineffective but .....

                            If you were to write a letter marked for the attention of the President of the FIA then at the very least his secretary will have to open it and digest the contents. If you then pose a question and request a response they will have to ANSWER it .....

                            You will in all probability receive a 'form' letter but it will cost them time and money to do it - a far more effective way of voicing your displeasure !

                            PS
                            This presupposes that the President isn't busy with an assorted collection of ladies of the night


                            Life is too important to take seriously !

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                            • #29
                              I doubt this will do any good but???

                              http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/
                              www.europa88.co.uk Loadsa mods!

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                              • #30
                                Just noted what someone on that petition wrote:

                                Another example of inconsistency. Nice to see ANOTHER 2 GP2 drivers being penalised this week for the same thing Massa was let away with in Valencia. But there is obviously not any Ferrari favouritism. Perish the thought!
                                They did give one of the drivers a 'drive through' for a carbon copy of what Massa did two weeks ago. It had been given before he even finished the outlap. Best part is that the stewards had the cheek to say that they had given the penalty to maintain consistency.

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