rough and smoky starting

[ianw1969]

Can anyone help me with a problem i have with my ln130 2.4 surf, just lately i have been having very rough starting and kicks out a load of black smoke, only seem to get problem when starting first time say for example being left overnight after that its always fine. Have replaced both batteries and full set of glow plugs, have removed all injectors and have had them tested at diesel specialist, still have same problems next thing is valve stem seals but not sure about this as it is black smoke not blue? Will be taking it back to diesel specialist for a compression test, would a cracked head give me this symptom?

[stormforce]

When was the last time the truck was serviced? change the fuel filter and fill it with atf or redex and change the air filter and oil and filter

[white akita]

mine does the same but it kicks out white smoke, going to change the plugs at the weekend and hope for the best !

[JUDWAK]

check the bulk head for soot with your fingers dont just look
check around the turbo mamafold area mainly
sucking air in can make it smoke on a start up from cold
blows soot after its started
runs fine once warm lumpy start

well thats what mine

[ianw1969]

rough starting and smoky

Thanks all for replying have tried redex in fuel filter but havnt changed fuel filter or air filter, so i will try that next, will also check around manifolds for sooty deposits cheers all

[KERRSURF]

My car seemed to start cleaner after I did an oil and filter change with an engine flush. I also did the fuel filter with some redex added.

[sv1000spilot]

Have you checked the 80A fuse for the glow plugs?

Mine keeps blowing as I have a short in the circuit. Where the leads join the glow plug bar the insulation can break down, hoping that's the problem with mine.

[ianw1969]

smoky starting surf

Havnt taking 80A Fuse out but have checked that i have a supply at terminals on glow plugs, supply held on for about 10 seconds so from that i guess that is normal,

[ianw1969]

smoky and rough starting

Just done all my filters and checked around turbo area, still suffering same problem (very rough starting fom cold but once engine has warmed up and cleared its throat no problem and no significant loss of power), have taken it back to diesel specialist and he has done a few test on the fuel system and was unable to fault but says engine breather is breathing heavy and oil passing back through the breather to the turbo also when engine revs to around 2000rpm from cold engine knocks very badly, he has advised to remove head to see whats going on, So this is my dillema considering it has done 100k miles do i spend money on this engine or have a refurbished engine fitted?

[The Lang-Shankit Scunner]

Change your glowplugs first mate, definitley!!!! If theyre gone itll be rough as heck, smokey and knockin like hell. Changem first and see what happens, wait for glowplug light to go out in the morning and wait until there is a beep from the dash then turn her over.

That "should" solve it mate, particularly if its only when cold.

[supersurf]

i am currently breaking a 2.4
so if you need any bits give me a shout,
it was all on the button till yesterday when i took the head off it,
clean as a pin,
no knocking from the bottom end,
maybe worth you buying the bottom end and haveing it refurbed,
then you wont be off the road for so long,

Just done all my filters and checked around turbo area, still suffering same problem (very rough starting fom cold but once engine has warmed up and cleared its throat no problem and no significant loss of power), have taken it back to diesel specialist and he has done a few test on the fuel system and was unable to fault but says engine breather is breathing heavy and oil passing back through the breather to the turbo also when engine revs to around 2000rpm from cold engine knocks very badly, he has advised to remove head to see whats going on, So this is my dillema considering it has done 100k miles do i spend money on this engine or have a refurbished engine fitted?

[Antshiel]

Just done all my filters and checked around turbo area, still suffering same problem (very rough starting fom cold but once engine has warmed up and cleared its throat no problem and no significant loss of power), have taken it back to diesel specialist and he has done a few test on the fuel system and was unable to fault but says engine breather is breathing heavy and oil passing back through the breather to the turbo also when engine revs to around 2000rpm from cold engine knocks very badly, he has advised to remove head to see whats going on, So this is my dillema considering it has done 100k miles do i spend money on this engine or have a refurbished engine fitted?

Thats not a dilema, it's the perfect opportunity to stick a 1uzfe in it!

[ianw1969]

poor starting and smoky

just removed cylinder head on surf found top of liners on no4 in very poor condition running 10mm down from top edge (see picture), not sure if this is a common problem on this engine would appreciate peoples views and what i should do next

[Sim1964]

@ supersurf might be interested in that 2.4 bottom end as the big ends went on my otherwise ok 2.4 last week email me on sday@orange.net with a price.