Couple of PC questions

[MattF]

Firstly, might any of you M$ chaps know how you can get Outlook to forward an e-mail with all the original header info intact?

Secondly, ADSL routers. Might anyone have a recommendation as to a good ethernet ADSL modem that allows the same gateway I.P to be assigned to both the internal and external interface without throwing a wobbler? Conexant have removed the ability, so their chipsets are a no-go, and the Linksys ones were iffy last time I checked. D-link is also a non-starter. (Hate their weird random lockup problems). Has to be a proper static setup as well. Half bridge option is no good due to it's insistence upon using DHCP and the firewall controlling several static I.P's.


Cheers.

[surfenstein]

Firstly, might any of you M$ chaps know how you can get Outlook to forward an e-mail with all the original header info intact?

Secondly, ADSL routers. Might anyone have a recommendation as to a good router that allows the same gateway I.P to be assigned to both the internal and external interface without throwing a wobbler? Conexant have removed the ability, so their chipsets are a no-go, and the Linksys ones were iffy last time I checked. D-link is also a non-starter. (Hate their weird random lockup problems). Has to be a proper static setup as well. Half bridge option is no good either due to the firewall controlling several static I.P's.


Cheers.

id like to help you out there matt,but im stupid dont know what half of that means.

[MattF]

id like to help you out there matt,but im stupid dont know what half of that means.

Glad you brought it up, actually. I'd worded it incorrectly.

[That Ruddy Squirrel]

Matt,

Could you save the email onto the hard drive then send it as an attachment itself ?



Trev

[MattF]

Matt,

Could you save the email onto the hard drive then send it as an attachment itself ?



Trev

Not sure. Outlook has a bad habit of classing the headers as not existing normally, so it would probably save it without them as well. I may be wrong, though.

[MudSurfer]

Matt

Not sure on the Outlook but I'll ask our Technical Specialists at work and see what I can come up with. As for the router, have you looked at the NetGear one? I think their interface is intuitive and the chipset/OS may let you do it, although I'm not entirely sure why you would want to use the same address for internal and external ports.

I'll get back to you on the Outlook once I've spoken to Avanade/Accenture inhouse teams.

AG

[MattF]

Matt

Not sure on the Outlook but I'll ask our Technical Specialists at work and see what I can come up with. As for the router, have you looked at the NetGear one? I think their interface is intuitive and the chipset/OS may let you do it, although I'm not entirely sure why you would want to use the same address for internal and external ports.

I'll get back to you on the Outlook once I've spoken to Avanade/Accenture inhouse teams.

AG

Thanks for that. Would be appreciated. Have to talk someone through forwarding it, so the more instructions I can get the better. (I'm not a Win native).

With regards to the router, it's for spoofing the external address on the internal interface so that you can have the specified gateway IP actually appear to be the modem, rather than having to use another IP out of the range for the internal interface. A block of eight is reduced to five before you even start, so taking another one off that starts making things a bit tight. It's more due to the fact that it's an annoyance rather than anything else. It should be a basic setup on any modem/router, but by 'eck, trying to find one with the ability these days is terrible. I do like the Netgears generally, but they have a bad habit of really crippling the modem/router firmware with the version they install. Also, the other reason is that the more IP's you start with, the less chance there is that you'll start having to use CNames and suchlike.

[BUSHWHACKER]

Matt

Not sure on the Outlook but I'll ask our Technical Specialists at work and see what I can come up with. As for the router, have you looked at the NetGear one? I think their interface is intuitive and the chipset/OS may let you do it, although I'm not entirely sure why you would want to use the same address for internal and external ports.

I'll get back to you on the Outlook once I've spoken to Avanade/Accenture inhouse teams.

AG

Just borrowing your thread a minute Matt.


Andrew, I've recently bought this
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...ory_oid=-28359
so I can use the laptop (Dell latitude C610) in the workshop i.e. where there's no phone socket.

I'm on Tiscali broadband using the Sagem F@st 800 ADSL modem which is connected to the desktop by USB.
The new Linksys moden/router is installed, recognised and configured correctly, but I can't connect to the internet.

The same with the laptop, receives signal from the Linksys moden, but cannot pick up an internet connection.

Linksys help site is no use, any ideas?




p.s. please don't talk in abbreviations if you reply, ta!

[MudSurfer]

Thanks for that. Would be appreciated. Have to talk someone through forwarding it, so the more instructions I can get the better. (I'm not a Win native).

With regards to the router, it's for spoofing the external address on the internal interface so that you can have the specified gateway IP actually appear to be the modem, rather than having to use another IP out of the range for the internal interface. A block of eight is reduced to five before you even start, so taking another one off that starts making things a bit tight. It's more due to the fact that it's an annoyance rather than anything else. It should be a basic setup on any modem/router, but by 'eck, trying to find one with the ability these days is terrible. I do like the Netgears generally, but they have a bad habit of really crippling the modem/router firmware with the version they install. Also, the other reason is that the more IP's you start with, the less chance there is that you'll start having to use CNames and suchlike.

Why don't you just NAT the internal device addresses, and use one in/outbound address. That way you can use whatever number of IPs you want. I use a 10. Net address, and use 10.A.B.C where A is the location ID, B is the device type and C is the number, so 10.2.1.4 = Private Net, Office_1, Server number 4.

Sorry if I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs and you've tried and disliked the NAT idea - but saves you lots of address space and you have more flexibility.

AG

[MudSurfer]

Just borrowing your thread a minute Matt.


Andrew, I've recently bought this
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...ory_oid=-28359
so I can use the laptop (Dell latitude C610) in the workshop i.e. where there's no phone socket.

I'm on Tiscali broadband using the Sagem F@st 800 ADSL modem which is connected to the desktop by USB.
The new Linksys moden/router is installed, recognised and configured correctly, but I can't connect to the internet.

The same with the laptop, receives signal from the Linksys moden, but cannot pick up an internet connection.

Linksys help site is no use, any ideas?




p.s. please don't talk in abbreviations if you reply, ta!

Hi Vince -

Right:

I would do this - plug the DSL line into the router, not the PC.

Set the router up to share the internet connection.
Plug the PC into the router with a cable (CAT5/RJ45) you may get one with the router, or you can pick them up in PC World or Maplin, they are better and cheaper.
Then your laptop will be able to connect, using DHCP (auto assigned IP addresses from the router).

Give me a call (I've PM'd my cellphone number to you) and I'll try and talk you through it.

Hope this helps.

AG

AG

[BUSHWHACKER]

Hi Vince - give me a little while to think about it - and I'll PM you.

AG

Good man!

[MattF]

Why don't you just NAT the internal device addresses, and use one in/outbound address. That way you can use whatever number of IPs you want. I use a 10. Net address, and use 10.A.B.C where A is the location ID, B is the device type and C is the number, so 10.2.1.4 = Private Net, Office_1, Server number 4.

Sorry if I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs and you've tried and disliked the NAT idea - but saves you lots of address space and you have more flexibility.

AG

Not at all. The modem is only used as exactly that. A modem/gateway. With regards to the control of the rest of the address range and IP mapping and nat, that is seen to by a real firewall behind the modem. The hardware modem is there purely for the sake of ease, and also the fact that running pppd has been known to have it's problems on occasion, so the modem takes one possible cause of problems out of the equation. There's no way I'm going to trust it to do any real work, however. They ain't designed for it.

[MattF]

Just borrowing your thread a minute Matt.

No problem. Rather ironic, asking Mr 'I can run any thread off on a tangent', if you mind their thread running off on a tangent.

[MudSurfer]

Not at all. The modem is only used as exactly that. A modem/gateway. With regards to the control of the rest of the address range and IP mapping and nat, that is seen to by a real firewall behind the modem. The hardware modem is there purely for the sake of ease, and also the fact that running pppd has been known to have it's problems on occasion, so the modem takes one possible cause of problems out of the equation. There's no way I'm going to trust it to do any real work, however. They ain't designed for it.

Hmmm - let me put my thinking trousers on - won't be tonight, need some sleep after being away all week Im Deutschland for work and sampling lots of local brews....

[MattF]

Hmmm - let me put my thinking trousers on - won't be tonight, need some sleep after being away all week Im Deutschland for work and sampling lots of local brews....

Not good for the old thinking powers is it.

Diagram info might make the explanation easier. Setup should be:

ISP-->Range gateway IP<--modem-->Range gateway IP<--->All other static IP's on, and controlled by, the firewall.

Technically, the modem should be acting as a dial up bridge. Creating the connection but being invisible to it.