So what is wrong with Shoguns / Pajeros

[PDR]

Just wondering why there seems to be a dislike of these vehicles by Surf owners?

I’ve used both Toyotas and Mitsubishis out in Africa and none gave any trouble. I chose the Surf as it was the second 4x4 I’d been to look at (first was a Jeep Cherokee- that was uncomfortable). I do like the lower roof height of the Surf as it makes this 4x4 less top heavy…. But I still have a great deal of respect for any Japanese 4x4.

[Sancho]

Just wondering why there seems to be a dislike of these vehicles by Surf owners?

I’ve used both Toyotas and Mitsubishis out in Africa and none gave any trouble. I chose the Surf as it was the second 4x4 I’d been to look at (first was a Jeep Cherokee- that was uncomfortable). I do like the lower roof height of the Surf as it makes this 4x4 less top heavy…. But I still have a great deal of respect for any Japanese 4x4.

Someone will come along and say something about fuel efficiency, build quality, handling etc etc. When it comes to it though, they're the enemy - pure and simple.

[BUSHWHACKER]

Just wondering why there seems to be a dislike of these vehicles by Surf owners?

I’ve used both Toyotas and Mitsubishis out in Africa and none gave any trouble. I chose the Surf as it was the second 4x4 I’d been to look at (first was a Jeep Cherokee- that was uncomfortable). I do like the lower roof height of the Surf as it makes this 4x4 less top heavy…. But I still have a great deal of respect for any Japanese 4x4.

I think you're leaning against an open door there, asking opinions about Pajeros on a Toyota forum !

I've driven both and prefer the Surf thats all, it's more car like to drive, where as the Paj feels more like a sluggish but comfortable van!

[Antshiel]

Someone will come along and say something about fuel efficiency, build quality, handling etc etc. When it comes to it though, they're the enemy - pure and simple.

The feul economy is painful, lego sets are built better and they handle like a 2 tonne bag of sand, otherwise a great motor

[PDR]

Hey look everybody, someone has actually beaten “Bushwhacker” to a reply for once

[BUSHWHACKER]

Hey look everybody, someone has actually beaten “Bushwhacker” to a reply for once

I was thinking of a more diplomatic answer than Sancho's.

[Chillitt]

i dont like it

[BUSHWHACKER]

Also, Pajero is a Spanish verb which roughly translated into English means............

[nero279]

Try towing up a hill in a paj, my 2.4 was towing much better than my mates paj 2.8 TDi, we did several trailer runs back in the summer, clearing up from a youth camp and the paj really was strugglin at times, up and over hills etc.

Also my surf goes so much better off road, especially in the wet. It might just be the difference between road tyres and mud terrains, but i'm sure the surf wasn't that bad before i changed the tyres.

Other than that it's like sancho says, they're the enemy

[Granville]

Other than that it's like sancho says, they're the enemy

you forgot these?????


I can’t even say the name as I have no soap to wash my mouth out with.

[Bunkle]

Just wondering why there seems to be a dislike of these vehicles by Surf owners?

I’ve used both Toyotas and Mitsubishis out in Africa and none gave any trouble. I chose the Surf as it was the second 4x4 I’d been to look at (first was a Jeep Cherokee- that was uncomfortable). I do like the lower roof height of the Surf as it makes this 4x4 less top heavy…. But I still have a great deal of respect for any Japanese 4x4.

Don't know much about Shoguns but my boss bought a new Warrior about 2 years ago and he has had nothing but aggro with it -

[BUSHWHACKER]

Don't know much about Shoguns but my boss bought a new Warrior about 2 years ago and he has had nothing but aggro with it -

Used to work for a builder who's son had a brand new ( 2003) Warrior, black, leather interior, super chipped etc.....

Last I heard, he was one his third gearbox!!!

[Diezel Weazel]

Don't know much about Shoguns but my boss bought a new Warrior about 2 years ago and he has had nothing but aggro with it -

Could it be that they just don't/can't build em like they used too.....& they resemble L/R too much..... Ugly
Not that i'd like a recycled BMC anyhow, nowdays !!!!!!
Speaks for itself really, 5+ years I've spent very little on repairs, I'll stick wiv me 1990 Surf thanks.

There's always a Payback.... You just can't see it Comin !!!!

[andrewlee31]

i go offroading with a load of paj's and they are perfectly capable, some simple mods make all the difference. if i needed to shift 7 people i would have bought a paj ove the surf. but personally i prefer the looks of the second gen surf.

mainly its purely comedy value if we take the pi$$ out of anything, especially landys....

[CaptainBeaky]

you forgot these?????


I can’t even say the name as I have no soap to wash my mouth out with.

Shocking - look at the damage caused by driving onto that plastic chain...