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  • Is this Usual Surf dealer behaviour or is this dodgy?

    Hi guys (again)

    Firstly, Thank you to all those who have posted replys to my previous questions.

    I tossed and turned all night and I decided to take a leap of faith and go buy a surf from a local car dealer that seems to specialise in Jap Imports (Junction 24 4x4) in Notingham.

    I did all the visual checks you guys recomend when test driving a used freshly imported Surf and I was happy that (in my very limited knowledge) the Surf was good. It was a unregistered 1996 Gen 3 3.0 ltr TDI Auto SSR-X in a lovely Pale Blue.

    I asked if he could provide proof (A BIMTA Cert) that the car was not listed as stolen in Japan and a BIMTA Milage Authenticity Cert and he kinda change the subject and rambled on that he had the Original Paperwork on his Computer that was sent to him by the Auction House in Tokyo and that this showed the Kilometers as recorded at the time of auction. So I said OK may I see it - he fumbled about on his keyboard and after 10 mins or so opens a JPEG that was a Scan of a Jap document that did indeed so a recorded Kilometer figure.

    I did the conversion in my head and it worked out that there was a few hundred miles on the UK conversion than the Jap Document allowed. When I questioned him about this he said that some miles could have been either lossed or added during the conversion as it was not exact. He also said that that the extra miles may have been added by the car having been driven up to Nottingham from Southampton Docks when the car was Imported into the UK. Can they drive an unregistered car on the UK roads ??

    The dealer said he would accept a £200 deposit and that he would take the car off of sale for one month. I also HAD to either accept or reject within ONE week of making the deposit - If I did not then I would loose the deposit. I said I was not sure If I could make all the checks (BIMTA and RAC engineers reports) I would need in order to decide if I want to buy the Surf in one week and he just shrugged his sholders and smiled.

    I thought about it and decided to make the deposit and when I asked the dealer what form he would take the payment he said either cash or Pay Pal !!!

    I said I would prefer to pay by Credit Card so that I have the legal backup that using a credit card would give me and the dealer said "No Way" - he does not accept credit cards and that was that. He then said he would consider a Credit Card Cheque but I do not know if a cheque would give the same legal protection in the UK as a Credit Card would.

    It just all seems a bit shadey and "back street dealer" to me - do you guys know what I mean. Surely its up to the dealer to prove to me the car is legal and safe - after all he needs my money more than I need his Surf....right?

    This does nothing to give me the confidence to buy a Surf from this dealer but what do you guys think?

    Any comments would be great!

    Thank you again

    Regards

    Kenny

  • #2
    hi kenny,

    if it was me! i would walk away and try another place there is plenty to go at.It might even be worth a travel out to another county and check out some others. chequered flag in leeds seem to come up alot for being good have atrip up there....
    CHEERS JOHN................

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kenny_Notts
      Any comments would be great!
      Hello,

      You've already answered your own question. Sounds well dodgy!

      At the moment, there are loads of surfs for sale, just be patient.

      You'd probably run a smaller risk going to Southampton yourself. Dealers are adding about £3000 to the price they are paying dockside.

      check out http://www.a1carauctions.co.uk/ for more info. They have a massive boatload coming in every month.

      regards
      Another member of the 'A' team

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      • #4
        go with your feelings

        welcome m8 . if it dont feel right it probably aint . there are plenty of good surfs for sale now so if your not happy then move on . there are a few on this site wich are prob good looked after surfs . or ebay where you can prob pay with your credit card . can i ask how much you are paying for it .
        black n tan
        black n tan
        yes i am a dobermann man

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        • #5
          Sorry havent read your whole post yet, but since i live near the dealer any surf you want let me look at it first see mine in members rigs

          i am no expert but have done motorbike racing and i am a mechanical engineer by trade......

          pm me your number
          3.0 TD SSR-X LTD 1994 Black, sold and passed MOT

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          • #6
            top man

            top man well done dog book . see different class of people us surfers lol
            black n tan
            black n tan
            yes i am a dobermann man

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            • #7
              i belonged to trooper site not as helpfull or friendly as the fellahs on this site
              Only Toyota can get you out of shite

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              • #8
                The Bimta is the key if he aint got it tell its pish, sounds well dodgy to me
                if a politition is talking its lying

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                • #9
                  There seems something not right there ,If it was me i would walk away ,
                  Like others have said there are lots for sale out there
                  nick 1 step in front of you

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Lovely Boyo
                    Hello,

                    You've already answered your own question. Sounds well dodgy!

                    At the moment, there are loads of surfs for sale, just be patient.

                    You'd probably run a smaller risk going to Southampton yourself. Dealers are adding about £3000 to the price they are paying dockside.

                    check out http://www.a1carauctions.co.uk/ for more info. They have a massive boatload coming in every month.

                    regards
                    Anyone tried this? It seems you get 4 days to get the paperwork in order, and are then charged £10 per day storage. 4 days doesn't seem very long, especially as you need to get insurance etc, before you can even start the registration process. How do you get an unregistered vehicle insured anyway?

                    Having said that, there's a very good stock list, and no doubt some substantial savings to be made...........
                    Cheers
                    Trev D.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by trevdowle
                      Anyone tried this?
                      Having said that, there's a very good stock list, and no doubt some substantial savings to be made...........
                      Hello,

                      I've been looking into this for months. The next Surf I buy will be from Southampton docks. There are a few others as well - Liverpool and Tilbury.

                      You'd be surprised at how much info you can get out of these people as long as you don't phone on a Monday (auction day).

                      The way I look at it - you're saving £3000 from dealer price. Even allowing for some massive failure, you're still quids in. No more risky than personal sale in the UK. You get a lower milage truck for high milage UK price.

                      A mate has a transporter, so I'll be paying cash and shipping the same day. Registration in my own time. The SVA only costs about £150 and involves rear fog light and stick on dials.

                      Where they are cute in the auction - you have to pay £400 cash to get in - which they give back (cheque) if you don't buy, and knock it off your car if you do buy. Ah the motor trade, don't you love 'em!
                      Another member of the 'A' team

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                      • #12
                        Converting the dials is only mandatory on vehicles below a certain age though,
                        is it not?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by slim
                          hi kenny,

                          if it was me! i would walk away and try another place there is plenty to go at.It might even be worth a travel out to another county and check out some others. chequered flag in leeds seem to come up alot for being good have atrip up there....
                          Hi Kenny, I think you already know the answer really, (you just need the piece of Mind, thing) I'd agree wiv Slim, ask the ?????'s If they ain't what you wanna here, move on!!!!
                          Great thing about this site is ask any ?????'s ya like somebody's got an answer, maybe ain't what ya wanna here, but it's generally from someone that know's ! Good Luck Bud

                          There's Always a Payback.... You just can't see it Comin !!!!
                          Buncefield Burner

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                          • #14
                            Slydog

                            Originally posted by slydog
                            welcome m8 . if it dont feel right it probably aint . there are plenty of good surfs for sale now so if your not happy then move on . there are a few on this site wich are prob good looked after surfs . or ebay where you can prob pay with your credit card . can i ask how much you are paying for it .
                            Hey Ya M8,

                            The dealer is asking £7495.00 but thats without any haggling. Its a nice tidy car, defo level 4, if any thing the paint work looks a litlle too good. Nice body kit and A-Frame (Spot lights and so on). In fact you can have a look at it here > http://dealerservices.autotrader.co....21983&pageid=2

                            If the guy cant or wont take credit cards then Im gonna walk away cos as you know buying with a credit card gives you more protection it it goes "T*ts Up"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Lovely Boyo
                              Hello,

                              You've already answered your own question. Sounds well dodgy!

                              At the moment, there are loads of surfs for sale, just be patient.

                              You'd probably run a smaller risk going to Southampton yourself. Dealers are adding about £3000 to the price they are paying dockside.

                              check out http://www.a1carauctions.co.uk/ for more info. They have a massive boatload coming in every month.

                              regards
                              I think you are right there - I am defo walking away.

                              Thanks for your tip on the Auctions, not something I had considered and I do like the sound of it................ Nice one.

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