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    Can any one tell me what the gross vehicle weight is for a Surf as I cannot find it on my registration document. The reason I am asking is that I wish to tow a trailer that is 2.5 m wide and according to the law the GVW needs to be 3501 kg or higher. Surely if this information is not on your registration document, then you can legally tow a trailer that has a width of 2.5 m. Either that or the police would have a hard time trying to prosecute you. It seems a grey area regarding imports. As per extract below.

    Requirements regarding trailers used on the road are given in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended and the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989, as amended. The following is a summary of the main requirements.

    Weight
    In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.

    For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer and if this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.

    The maximum laden weight of a trailer which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight. Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight or the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded. It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.

    It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

    Dimensions
    If the towing vehicle has a permissible gross weight in excess of 3.5 tonnes the maximum width and length of the trailer are 2.55 metres and 12 metres respectively. If however the gross weight of the towing vehicle is 3.5 tonnes or less then the maximum permissible width and length are 2.3 metres and 7 metres respectively. In both cases the overall length of the towing vehicle and trailer must not exceed either 18m or 18.75m depending on the type of towing vehicle.

    Brakes
    Braking requirements are prescribed in Regulations 15 and 16 of The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 as amended and essentially require a trailer with a maximum design laden weight of more 750 kg to be braked and allow an inertia (overrun) type braking system to be used up to a maximum permissible laden weight of 3500kg. In use it is not permitted to use an unbraked trailer the laden weight of which exceeds 50% of the kerbside weight of the towing vehicle. For trailers up to 1500kg laden weight it is permitted to use a secondary coupling, which in the event of separation (NOT failure) of the main coupling will retain the trailer attached to the towing vehicle, prevent the nose of the trailer from touching the ground and provide some residual steering of the trailer. Above 1500 kg laden weight the trailer must be fitted with a device to stop the trailer automatically in the event of separation (NOT failure) of the main coupling and this is normally achieved by a breakaway cable attached to the parking brake mechanism - the trailer becomes detached from the towing vehicle.

    Lights
    The requirements for trailer lighting can be found in The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 as amended. A copy can be obtained from The Stationery Office, or see Section 5 below.

    Legislation
    The Regulations referred to above may be obtained through the Stationery Office under the references, SI 1986 No.1078 for the Construction and Use Regulations and SI 1989 No. 1796 for the Lighting Regulations. However, there have been many amendments to these base Regulations and it is important to obtain all of these in order to have the current situation. As an alternative, you may find it easier to visit a good, city based, reference library where there may be a copy of The Encyclopaedia of Road Traffic Law and Practice, published by Sweet and Maxwell. This publication tracks the amendments to legislation and presents them in an up-dated form. One of the volumes will contain both the Construction and Use and Lighting Regulations.

    Other considerations
    The above information relates to basic construction requirements and some aspects of the use of trailers. In addition it is recommended that you check that you have the appropriate Driving Licence entitlement and whether the vehicle or combination of vehicles requires a tachograph to record driver's hours. The latter will apply to most vehicles and combinations of vehicles above 3500kg gross weight where used for commercial purposes.

  • #2
    what gen surf do you have
    I HAVE FOUND JESUS he was behind the sofa

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    • #3
      2nd Gen Surf weighs approx 1900kgs. If you want to tow something over 2.5m wide, even if it's within the ability of the Surf to pull it, you'll need a large commercial vehicle. If the plods catch you towing with the Surf you'll likely get a few points on your licence and a hefty fine, as well as not being allowed to continue your journey.
      Mike G

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      • #4
        Well according to the V5, my surf has a gross weight 150kg greater than the unladen weight. Given that I weigh 100kg (possibly more ... ), this is patently nonsense.

        But you will need an LGV to tow an 8' wide trailer - check your licence to see whether you are covered for group C or C1 (+E). Incidentally, if the towing vehicle is <3500kg GVW, the legal limit on trainweight is the same as for a Group E - the 12,500 kg / 8250 kg applies only to Group C1+E. Of course, this is subject to the manufacturer's spec as exceeding the design weight is a separate issue and also illegal.

        Surf is taxed at PLG/PNY (Private/Light Goods) rate - i.e. under 3500kg GVW, and drivable on a on a Group B licence.

        And Tallyman is right: if towing anything large, expect to be stopped and weighed. If over you will be prosecuted as it's a by-the-book offence and therefore easy to get a conviction on. There are very few legal defences and ignorance is not one of them.

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        • #5
          My Surf is a 1997 KZN185 3.0L diesel auto. I understand what you are saying about weights and everything, but on my V5 there is no mention of weights and payload etc however it is clased as a LGV. My driving licence does cover me for the driving bit, but the concern is the trailer.
          It seems a bit ridiculous as the trailer fully loaded weighs in at about 1900 kgs, empty at about 1650kg. I was under the impression that the Surf laden was aboutr 2500 kgs. So much for us being part of the EU. It seems that there is a bit of discrimination afoot here as a foreign registered car can legally tow a trailer with a width of 2.5 metres and length in excess of 7 plus metres.
          Don't really want to go buy a 3500 kg vehicle for use only 2 or 3 times a year when the Surf is more than capable, but the law is not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Surf01
            however it is clased as a LGV.
            eh??
            nee nar nee nar, i'm a fire engine!

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            • #7
              Maximum sizes for towing
              Towing vehicle under 3500kg GVW

              Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar)
              7.0 metres

              Maximum width
              2.3 metres

              Towing vehicle over 3500kg GVW

              Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar)
              12 metres if at least 4 wheels

              Maximum width
              2.55 metres

              Length of towing vehicle & trailer combined
              18 metres

              Maximum overhang of load from rear of trailer
              3.05 metres
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              • #8
                Originally posted by da SLUG man
                eh??
                Classed as Light goods vehicle.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Surf01
                  Classed as Light goods vehicle.
                  ah right... PLG, Not LGV
                  nee nar nee nar, i'm a fire engine!

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                  • #10
                    If I recall correctly, any vehicle over 3500 kg has to be fitted with a tachometer. Therefore, if you argue that you are over the legal weight you will find yourself prosecuted for not having a tacho. The Surf by the way is well under 3500 kg. Even the largest twin wheel Transits are under 3500 kg gross. You would be looking at something like an Iveco to legally tow this trailer.

                    A lot of people seem to risk it though. the twin axle Hobby caravan is 8' wide and you often see those being towed by untaxed transits.

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                    • #11
                      Only for work. Don't need a tacho for personal use.

                      Originally posted by SoundsDigital View Post
                      If I recall correctly, any vehicle over 3500 kg has to be fitted with a tachometer. Therefore, if you argue that you are over the legal weight you will find yourself prosecuted for not having a tacho. The Surf by the way is well under 3500 kg. Even the largest twin wheel Transits are under 3500 kg gross. You would be looking at something like an Iveco to legally tow this trailer.

                      A lot of people seem to risk it though. the twin axle Hobby caravan is 8' wide and you often see those being towed by untaxed transits.
                      Sluggy is right, LGV now means Large Goods Vehicle, Surfs are PLG, Private/Light Goods
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                      • #12
                        U will only need a taco if u are towing for hire or reward....
                        If u drive a private registred vehicle <7500 u do not need a taco
                        One day at the time I guess..

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                        • #13
                          So is it what its supopsed to weigh, or what it actually weighs...

                          Mine got weighed last MOT... and it appears to have put on a little weight... 2500kg... total... must remember to leave my lunch out next time... Not sure what that is all about...

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