Using Veg Oil/Biodiesel in Ireland

[devore]

I'v been looking for info on this for quite some time but i cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Hopefully the Irish gang on this website can help me out! Can anyone tell me what i need to do to run a Surf legally on Veg oil in Ireland after it has been converted to do so? I've seen plenty of info for doing it in the UK but i don't know if the same goes for Ireland...any help at all appreciated!

Dev

[That Ruddy Squirrel]

I'v been looking for info on this for quite some time but i cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Hopefully the Irish gang on this website can help me out! Can anyone tell me what i need to do to run a Surf legally on Veg oil in Ireland after it has been converted to do so? I've seen plenty of info for doing it in the UK but i don't know if the same goes for Ireland...any help at all appreciated!

Dev

Hi,

This the guy to contact - Morr If he cannot help you, no one here can on that subject.


Trev

[Morr]

I'v been looking for info on this for quite some time but i cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Hopefully the Irish gang on this website can help me out! Can anyone tell me what i need to do to run a Surf legally on Veg oil in Ireland after it has been converted to do so? I've seen plenty of info for doing it in the UK but i don't know if the same goes for Ireland...any help at all appreciated!

Dev

Damn, had a big long reply typed, spell-checked and everything, ready to submit and then accidentally hit the back button instead of enter :grrr: ah well, here goes again....


About 2 to 3 years ago I was in touch with a company in Cork no less, who were selling veggie conversion kits (can't for the life of me remember what they were called, bur they did have a website of sorts), and who had registered themselves with the revenue commissioners. Initially the Revenue tried to charge them duty on all the potential fuels they identified in the garage, including buckets of unusable gunge ready for dumping/composting/whatever. They eventually agreed that mileage records should be kept and duty charges based on the calculated monthly fuel consumption, less any fuel show to have already been duty paid, ie produce loads of diesel receipts to show only a small portion of the periods use had been veggie.

I have no idea if the Revenues have altered their self assessment methods in this regard since, I doubt it, and believe it would be very much up to the individual situation/customs officer etc as we do not have a set system in place such as that in the UK.

The easiest way to ensure you remain legit, would be to buy your veggie from an approved supplier who can give you a receipt showing all legally required taxes/duties/extortions etc have been paid. Keep this receipt in your vehicle in case you need to produce it at any time.
One such supplier is Elish oils who can supply oils in various quantities up to 1000liter cubes. They will supply with tax and duty for road use, vat only for use in industry, without vat or duty for use an an animal feedstock etc....

Hang on just checking old emails and found the company mentioned up top, they were called envirodrive and I contacted them at envirodrive@iol.ie, this was in Feb 2003,
heres a quote from a email they sent me in Feb 03

Using waste vegetable oil is completely legal as long as you pay excise. NO VAT is assessed on free waste vegetable oil as this is tax solely on tax (which is illegal) and waste vegetable oil has already been assessed for VAT as a food product when originally purchased and you are not allowed to assess VAT on the same item twice unless it has been sold. You can not charge VAT on something which is obtained for free. The rate of excise is based on liters of fuel used (that means measured as it is poured into the

vehicles tank). Waste vegetable oil is classified as a substitute diesel

fuel and is subject to excise at the rate of 326.73 euro/1000 liters. I am currently self assessing. I had originally converted my car a 2 liter Nissan Sunny with an ATG kit and was prefiltering my oil but I found it impossible to filter sufficient oil in cold weather. Then C& E agents paid me a visit after I notified them that I was using waste vegetable oil to fuel my car (I notified them in order to find out what would happen to my

customers if they ended up being assessed). I had no usable oil, lots of

buckets of unusable grease due to filtering during the cold weather and C& E wanted to charge me excise on unusable grease and oil. I installed the envirodrive 2 tank and all my troubles vanished. No prefiltering, grease, no stored fuel for C&E to assess, no complaints from my wife that I was turning the backyard and shed into a tiphead. All I do is fill the car up at the restaurant and drive. I change the coarse filters once every 2 months (40 cent/ coarse filter), check for water at the bottom of the fuel tank and in the fuel filter under the bonnet every month

I later emailed them again in August 03, .... they never replied...


Hope some of this has helped

[devore]

Thanks Morr - nice reply! That has certainly cleared up a lot of things for me. Can i be really cheeky and ask what method you use for running your Surf on Veg oil? Also, do you have yours on the road tax as passenger or commercial vehicle? (pretty significant difference looking at the rates just now!).

[Morr]

Thanks Morr - nice reply! That has certainly cleared up a lot of things for me. Can i be really cheeky and ask what method you use for running your Surf on Veg oil? Also, do you have yours on the road tax as passenger or commercial vehicle? (pretty significant difference looking at the rates just now!).

I just bung it in the tank and top up with diesel Have a look on the main veg-oil threads, starting here, its been well documented how most of us use it.
My Surf is commercially taxed.

[devore]

Thanks Morr - was actually wondering how you source you're oil and what method you pay excise by i.e. per mileage done or amount of oil bought...you've done enough for me though so understood if you don't reply!