http://www.fightprejudice.org/

[Silversurfer]

http://www.fightprejudice.org/

Hi All

Iv'e signed up to this. It is not just about the Countryside Alliance - although I do support them - it is also about the 'Nanny State' interfering in the the lives of ordinary people, I am thinking here about the predujice that appears to be growing regarding the ownership of 4 x 4's.
If any of you have similar views please feel free to sign up to the 'Cyber Protest'
As election time appears to be looming the 'B****rds' in parliament might just have to take notice.

Regards

Silversurfer

[Gizmo]

I'm sorry but I find this page tainted and will possibly be used for other purposes than stated!!.

Whilst I am against some aspects of the Nanny State I feel that [taking the issue that started the campaigns in the first place] that chasing animals for sport [with the animal being ripped apart at then end] is not on.

Legalised Culls would be better. Legalised Marksmen with a gun!

[Chillitt]

isnt there rule about only talking about things you understand?

[Gizmo]

isnt there rule about only talking about things you understand?

I agree there are quite a lot of areas that I may not understand...but as stated the page just feels tainted!!..especially after showing one of the hounds as a main image...

I know its not just about this and its about Country life as a whole [eg out of towners going living in the coutryside and having petitions to stop farmers etc from going about their business due to noise levels and et al.].

[Chillitt]

maybe the pictures there cos its the hounds that will be out of a job as of 18th feb. they cannot be rehomed. they are not pets. they will be shot. happy now?

[kitesurf_phil]

Healthy foxes don't get caught by the hounds. It's only the elderly and lame foxes that get caught. A healthy fox will outrun/outwit the hounds every time. Unfortunately it's the unhealthy ones that will steal into a chicken coop and cause mayhem. The healthy foxes will survive by ripping apart nice little furry bunnies in the wild. I have seen wiley foxes that escape applauded by the hunters.

A marksman would be lucky to even get sight of a fox. If he did it would be indiscriminate culling. I lived in the countryside from birth until my early 20s, until I was priced out, and have only seen one truly wild fox. The foxes are actually more of a help than a hinderance to the farmer because they keep the rabbit population down and it stops them eating all his valuable crops. If other methods such as gassing, birth control, poisoning are used it could mean the end of the fox population and make it very tempting for landowners to re-introduce miximatosis (spelling?).

I have not always been pro-hunting. I was anti as a teenager (it was a nice way of cocking a snook at the rural establishment). I sat on the fence for a while. I then learned to ride (badly) and used to go gate shutting for two local hunts.
I have listened to all sides of the argument but I am starting to tire of the Walt Disneyesque view held by the antis who make up the majority of the population. Unfortunately the majority of antis live in large towns and cities, as do the majority of the population of the UK. Because the majority of people in this country don't understand the balance of the countryside, is it fair that they should decide to ban hunting? It would be like trying to ban Islam or Buddism because you don't understand it. There are laws against that kind of thing. Maybe there is a case for including, "Incitement to hatred of country folk," in the discrimination bill?

[Chillitt]

thanks phil, i would have said that if i was lucid enough..
just so everyone knows, saying 'foxes are torn apart' about hunting is like saying '4x4s destroy the enviroment' all it does is demonstrate the ignorance of the speaker (imho)

[TAF]

[QUOTE=kitesurf_phil]Healthy foxes don't get caught by the hounds. It's only the elderly and lame foxes that get caught. A healthy fox will outrun/outwit the hounds every time


Spot on there mate

I use to keep Lurchers and have a few guns but it just isn’t worth the agro any more
Where I grew up lots of the locals kept dogs and went hunting it was a way of life fore many people you could walk down the road with a shotgun under your arm as long as it was with the barrel broken you would not even get bothered by the local bobby try it these days even if the gun is in a case you would have a armed response unit on you in minutes and the powers that be that are changing the laws knowledge of the country side is a holiday home fore a week once a year

It makes me sick and now you have got anti 4x4 nuters what’s next a catalytic converter fore when you fart to save the ozone

why don’t they just f*** off and get a hobby

[mikey]

Well said Phil - most pro hunt people know what the countryside & hunting are about; whereas the anti lot mostly have not the faintest idea. Most of them live in towns - no disrespect to them for doing so, but in my view they have absolutely no right to comment on something they know nothing about, that has no effect on them, but will ruin the lives of a good number of country people, upset the balance of the countryside & cause the unnecessary destruction of many hunting dogs, who cannot be used as pets.
Those fat ar*ed muppets in Parliament & their leader have blatantly bypassed democracy by using the Parliament Act to push through the ban, for their own miserable interests..
In the absence of hunting, which as Phil correctly states removes only weak & diseased foxes, farmers will resort to traps & poison, which will kill indiscriminately, slowly & painfully. All we hear is tales of poor foxes being torn to shreds by packs of ‘killer’ dogs & their ‘blood lusting’ masters. What utter rubbish.
The attached pics (if I’ve done it right) are of a Hunt in Hampshire, last Boxing Day. Huge support. It won’t be the last one. Note the ‘killer’ dogs with their wagging tails, amongst the children….
Anti hunt, anti everything people - get a life….

[keef]

I was at the boxing day meet in Chagford of the Mid Devon Hunt and never has it been better supported.Some people there were not hunt supporters but all were opposed to the way Tonys cretins pushed the ban through.
I think it was Voltaire who said something along the lines of.... "I may not agree with a mans opinions but i will die for his right to express them"
Whatever your opinions on hunting it should be apparent that whatever it is,if you enjoy it they'll ban it!

[Linda]

But I think your are all missing the point a little.

Whether you are for or against hunting is a matter of personal belief, and not the point of this thread. The whole point is that the anti hunting legislation has been forced through parliament despite massive opposition. This is just another example of "Nannying"

In a case like this where there is such strong feeling on both sides (as in the case of moving to the Euro) a true democracy would have a referendum and seek a majority decision.

As Silversurfer says - he put the link up regarding the part curtailing our right to free choice. That said I do see Gizmo's point that the link does seem pro hunting which may be distasteful to some, and not strictly a protest about the nanny state.

You decision to sign, or not is yours. Make the most of one of the freedoms we have left.

[Draig]

Nice one Linda - well said.

every year I feel worse and worse at how this country is going. the PC-correct brigade have lost the plot.

I for one will never ever call a blackboard a chalkboard. my answer is usually "what colour is it?" - oops I digress but hopefully you get the real point.

I for one, will sign but only because I believe that if we're told that we live in a democracy, then EVERYONE should act like it - including the government.

[Gizmo]

Dont get me wrong on this, if you wish to hunt then thats fine as that is your wish, however why hunt with packs when drag-lining??? can be done or bloodhounds after people....

I regress to my response to the article in question.....the article just feels too tainted to one side and will be used as a political leverage for said item and not against the idea of a nanny state!!

[Silversurfer]

Fight Predujice

Hi All



In the short time since I have posted this thread I have to say I am very impressed with the democratic attitude that prevails within this Forum as a whole. I don’t agree with all of the replies but in posting this thread I am heartened that democratic values still exist in this country even if it may be only within this Forum.

I posted the thread mainly because of genuine concerns that within this country at the moment democracy is being buried by minority pressure groups of all forms and a government that buckles to any vocal minority that shouts hard enough while the silent majority is totally ignored until the next election comes around and the political ‘Spin’ starts again. I believe this of all political parties, not just the present government, who by the way I consider to be the worst offenders of all.

To get back to the point, I live in the country and I know that the Countryside Alliance is not just about fox hunting, it is about the whole way of life within the country and the rights of those who both live there and those who wish to enjoy it.

Did you, for instance, know that only approx 5% of the ‘Green Lanes’ within the countryside are available for use by wheeled vehicles and that the Ramblers Association is currently pressuring the government to limit the use of all ‘Green Lanes’ to walkers only, even to the extent of banning horses as well. I am also a very keen motorcyclist and as far as I know only the Trail Riders Fellowship (TRF) ( http://www.trf.org.uk/ ) is actively opposing this, along with I must add, local farmers and pubs/hotels/B & B’s who derive income from those who like to ride/drive the ‘Green Lanes’. This also applies to us – we could be banned from using 4 x 4’s on legitimate ‘Green Lanes’ because of pressure from a minority group who want it all for themselves and who are prepared to deny the legitimate rights of all others. Perhaps this forum. (and all 4 x 4 forums) should consider linking up with the TRF to defend our legitimate rights before they are taken from us. Have a look at the TRF website – they put the case far better than I can

I am off to Langdale Quest on Sunday for a days off-roading before the Nanny Staters tell me that they have banned it for my own good.



Regards to All



Silversurfer

[Silversurfer]

Hi Again

Check out the below site - unfortunately this helps to prove the point about state interference in the rights of all of us.
I am now definately going off-roading to Langdale quest tomorrow before the Ramblers discover it.


http://www.ramblers.org.uk/news/arch...sultation.html