the alliance against urban 4x4s

[Linda]

when both of those are gone they will want to ban drag hunting because of the danger to the horses.

Nah - they'll ban riding horses coz it isnt fair to the horse to have a human bouncing around on its back!! Wallys!

[kitesurf_phil]

Nah - they'll ban riding horses coz it isnt fair to the horse to have a human bouncing around on its back!! Wallys!

I'm glad there are a few Country Folk on here. I was told to remove my very subtle "Countryside Alliance" sticker or security would ban me from parking at work. They said it made my vehicle a target.

BTW. The Stoke Hammond bypass was due to have work started today. A few tens of locals and a few hundred "professional protesters" turned out. I was surprised not to see Swampy!

[da SLUG man]

I'm glad there are a few Country Folk on here. I was told to remove my very subtle "Alliance" sticker or security would ban me from parking at work. They siad it made my vehicle a target.

BTW. The Stoke Hammond bypass was due to have work started today. A few tens of locals and a few hundred "professional protesters" turned out. I was surprised not to see Swampy!

think he liked Newbury and decided to stay!... when the bypass here was being built, we had the Friends of the earth office opposite our trade counter... we ripeed them off big style for light bulbs and stuff!... that "king arthur pendragon" is a strange bloke too!!

[Pete]

in moments on boredom i've been e-mailing these idiots, the last one was along the lines of me laughing while i destroyed the planet, anyway,they finally replied:

Dear all,
As you have recently sent us a message hostile to our campaign -
some of you in more rational language than others - we thought it
would be nice to agree to send you all the request below, in the
hope that you would appreciate the opportunity to put your side of
the argument in public.
Please don't reply to this email, but get in touch with the
producers directly via the contact details at the bottom.
Thanks,
Alliance Against Urban 4x4s


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Sounds like they are bored with the tv programmes like flog it, cash in the attic, and all the house and cooking crap, and are looking for something new. Maybe they could do a 'Car swap' along the lines of wife swap.
I could swap with a Cinquecento owner, then try and get a boiler and 7 radiators, 4 bundles of 3m lenths of pipe etc in the car mon-fri, then at weekend, Err in doors and 3 kids, 4 cat baskets and all the shopping!!!
I'm sure the Fifart owner would get the shopping in the Surf!
Pete

PS. not interested in political arguments about 4x4's. If they are that bad, ban em! Don't think so, we cant ban cigs and they kill!!!!!

[keef]

I went to see the Mid Devon hunt at Chagford for the boxing day meet.This was held on the Monday due to the "official" boxing day being a sunday.
The anti's turned up to protest on the Sunday,24 Hrs early and did'nt return on the Monday,due,i assume to a severe case of embaressment.
Oh how we laughed!

[Chillitt]

i told an anti to get out of my shop for spouting rubbish about hunting. i think i let them off too lightly

[kitesurf_phil]

think he liked Newbury and decided to stay!... when the bypass here was being built, we had the Friends of the earth office opposite our trade counter... we ripeed them off big style for light bulbs and stuff!... that "king arthur pendragon" is a strange bloke too!!

I'm a bit of a fan of FOE. At least they protest (in the main) about worthwhile causes. They don't want to see the car banned, just run on renewable fuels and homes run more efficiently. I'm dead against whaling, seal culling and nuclear energy too.
Another thing that puzzles me is this:

Years ago local farms supplied almost everything that the local area needed. They grew fruit, veg and grain. They produced milk, meat, eggs and fowl. All those things only needed to be transported to the local markets and local slaughter houses. Successive governments of all persuasions have messed about, centralising this and that, so now we have milk tankers travelling all over the country and the continent. The French export their milk here. And all the time everything we eat and drink is becoming more bland. Tomatoes are grown for their colour and sod what they taste like. Apples, grown for their storage properties that taste like blotting paper soaked in sugery water. Small farms put out of business by government red tape and the buying power of the supermarkets.
So next time you are on the way to/from a greenlaning/offroad trip, keep an eye open for the farmers markets or farmers selling from their gates and cut out the fat cat middlemen.

[freerange]

I went to see the Mid Devon hunt at Chagford for the boxing day meet.This was held on the Monday due to the "official" boxing day being a sunday.
The anti's turned up to protest on the Sunday,24 Hrs early and did'nt return on the Monday,due,i assume to a severe case of embaressment.
Oh how we laughed!

We were once accosted by antis when out drag hunting. Er, no foxes mate. No really! My, how we laughed

Anyway, back to fuel-guzzling monsters. I see the world's largest-ever jumbo Airbus A380 plane has been unveiled:
First view of superjumbo

Bet the government won't be slapping a tax on that - regardless of how many miles it does to the gallon!

[ni9eofse7en]

We were once accosted by antis when out drag hunting. Er, no foxes mate. No really! My, how we laughed

Anyway, back to fuel-guzzling monsters. I see the world's largest-ever jumbo Airbus A380 plane has been unveiled:
First view of superjumbo

Bet the government won't be slapping a tax on that - regardless of how many miles it does to the gallon!

Miles to the gallon, more like inches.

Did you know the QE2 does 6 inches to the gallon, and it does not run on Bio Diesel I bet?

[JTrim]

Who is campaigning against high-performance sports cars, that's what I'd like to know.

The engines are bigger, the drivers are younger and they're far more likely to be driving at break-neck speeds.

All I can say on the issue of taxing "gas-gusslers" more, is that over 80% of the cost of petrol is already tax...the more you use, the more tax you pay!

I never have my Surf in 4x4 when on the road anyway - does that exempt me from these protests - I doubt it.

A Volvo estate is the same length as my surf, but no-one's complaining about these blocking up the city either.

If anyone can suggest another car, which I can fit 2 x Estrella Mountain Dogs in the boot of (12 stone each!), and still have room for luggage & passengers, then I'd be happy to hear.

JT

[dirtydog]

a few other 4x4 i reckon could take it.... oh sorry that doesnt count

[jagr]

Who is complaining about the Executive cars??
I had a BMW 730 V8 before my Surf and that was alot longer and wider and used much more fuel. It averaged about 16mpg.
(When driving enthusiastically I got the on-board computer down to 7mpg)

[Snoop]

Ban 4x4s cos yummy mummies park em on the pavement outside inner city schools.
Ban fast cars cos their noisy and all driven by immature adrenaline junkies.
Ban gas guzzlers cos they are not environmentally friendly.
Ban small cars cos they are unsafe in accidents.
Ban old cars cos they don't comply with any modern regs.
Ban bikes cos they are noisy and dangerous.
Ban caravans cos ... well they get in the way of us immature adrenalin junkies
Etc. etc. etc.
Ban anything on wheels!

You can always find a narrow mind to complain about some aspect of motoring that they don't participate in or just anything to do motoring in general. Usually it's more to do with individuals actions then the group as a whole.

Anyway, if you find my 4x4 on the pavement it's for a worthwile cause - to knock over !!!!!! scooters

[Chillitt]

ban narrow minded vegetarian grauniad reading bored urban psuedo-intelectual fun spoiling t##s-pots!

[Verbal]

You lot must get it bad down south. Up here we hear nothing of 4x4 bans or demonstrations. Granted our raods have little traffic and often more tractors than cars, but its a different world to Urban England.

What still worries me is that these idiots who want bans, want to ban them countrywide, when 4x4's are seen as essential in all areas outside the central belt of Scotland.

Will farmers etc, get off with any further taxes (if introduced) on 4x4's ? lets face it being a farmer in this day and age is bad enough without further taxes of machines required in daily life. If so what other jobs can be included that require a 4x4 ?

I`m sure if they do decide in any added taxation, they will have to allow working motors a way out and if so that will provide a get-out for most people who use them.