How enviromentally friendly are push bikes.

[shokenore]

This is a pi$$ take thread right?

[Sancho]

No motorist wants to turn a bend to be met by a dozen middle aged cyclists, blocking the road, living the dream that would be the Tour de France.

It's a serious matter & I've had it out with these guys....they made it absolutely clear that they have absolutely no interest in using cycle paths.

I'll say it again, registration & insurance should become compulsory, the funds from which could go towards nationwide cycle pathways.

In answer to the OP's question about the green issue, sure, cycling has to be considered a more environmentaly friendly alternative but without a proper structure in place, cyclists will continue to be obstructive to motorists & thereby inadvertently adding to hydrocarbon pollution - not to mention the current, very real risk of death & the associated costs both financially & emotionally to both parties.

Are you drunk?

Those people 'blocking the road' are just using it for its purpose. The fact that you want to go faster is neither their concern nor their fault.

I'm not surprised they gave you short shrift when you decided to have a go at them for going about their business and doing no-one any harm.

The 'very real risk of death' come from bad driving. Nothing else.

[andyverran]

The 'very real risk of death' come from bad driving. Nothing else.

That's not reserved just to motorists, I've seen (and I'm sure you have) all road users do really stupid things....it's just humans being imperfect decision makers under stress.

[shokenore]

While I will agree all road users make mistakes, I really can't get on with the arrogance shown by the likes of Tig.
Perhaps he should take a good hard look at his driving and his perceived position of his ownership of the road.

Far be it that a minor scratch occurs to his paintwork, than him mowing someone down.

Idiot.

[andyverran]

In the 1,000,000 or so miles I've done (courier) there's a few things I think I've learnt:

People cock up
Never, ever, lose your temper
Look after yourself
S**t happens, live with it

Not sure if that's a recipe but it works for me.

[Maverick]

This is a pi$$ take thread right?

No this is a them vs us thread.

Problem with that is I am both, my cycling mileage is on par with my driven mileage.

So I will make a few points, as I spend most of my time on cycling forums defending 4x4, so I guess I must return the favour here.

Most cyclists do not use the cycle routes, as they tend to be longer, more unkept, in the gutter so full of potholes, rubbish, glass, etc. Also most cycle routes are put in by councils so they can say they have provided cycle routes and not planned in any way.
I tried using the cycle path when I first started and went through a set of tyres each week for three weeks due to debris damage, at £30 per tyre that was not cheap.

Cyclist vs car only has one winner, it doesn't matter who made the mistake, the cyclist looses. I would like to have explained this to the woman who decided to overtake the parked car crossing into my lane and expecting me to get out of her way or be hit, on my journey home tonight, but I was to busy trying to regain balance after using someones front path to escape her bonnet.

Roads are funded from your local council tax, so cyclists already pay their way.

Licencing would not be cost effective, alot of cyclists I know have more than one bike (personally I have 3) it would cost far to much to set up and monitor. What bikes get registered, does my 14 year old nephew have to register the bike I gave him last month, or my 6 year old neice? Also how do you show the registration, my road bike is pared down to minimal weight and minimal drag, so a reg plate would not fit well!!

Insurance, well heres the biggy, once again most of the cyclists I know (myself included) has 3rd party insurance, it cost me £28 for the year. But who must have insurance, how do we draw the line between a 5, 14, or 75 year old cyclist.

Road position, we pick the road position safest for us, I am actually sorry if I delay someone by 20 seconds because they have to wait for a safe place to pass me, but preservation of life is more important, than you getting home to watch the telly. We actually have the right to do this, as pedestrians, horse riders, and cyclist have the right to use the roads, vehicles use them under license (which can be removed).

I wear lycra. I am not a lout. I do not hate 4x4s. I do not hate cyclists.
Now for crying out loud learn to share the flaming roads, and stop bitching.

[Tig]

Roads are funded from your local council tax, so cyclists already pay their way.

Hehehehe

[woodwarm]

Well i'm glad we have reached a satisfactory conclusion to this thread


Any thoughts on white van man

[Tig]

While I will agree all road users make mistakes, I really can't get on with the arrogance shown by the likes of Tig.
Perhaps he should take a good hard look at his driving and his perceived position of his ownership of the road.

Far be it that a minor scratch occurs to his paintwork, than him mowing someone down.

Idiot.

WTF?.......did you actually read anything I wrote?

Also, is there any real need to stoop to insults?

[shokenore]

Well i'm glad we have reached a satisfactory conclusion to this thread


Any thoughts on white van man

What about a white van man who rides a bike, who also rides a motorbike, who also drives a 4x4 and goes shooting and eats meat and wears hoodies.....

[andyverran]

What about a white van man who rides a bike, who also rides a motorbike, who also drives a 4x4 and goes shooting and eats meat and wears hoodies.....

Tick well, not the hoody part...

[woodwarm]

[QUOTE=shokenore;802702]What about a white van man who rides a bike, who also rides a motorbike, who also drives a 4x4 and goes shooting and eats meat and wears hoodies.....[/QUOT


"eats meat"

You saying he's GAY ?

ps

TIG has left the building

[shokenore]

WTF?.......did you actually read anything I wrote?

Also, is there any real need to stoop to insults?

Em yep unfortunately I did take the time time to read what you had wrote, perhaps before posting, you should have done so too.

Perhaps someone reading your post concerning the cyclists "living the dream" had lost someone dear to them whilst that loved one was out cycling only to be mowed down by an idiot like yourself.

So as long as you think it is amusing posting pictures of cyclists AKA other road users coming to harm at the hands of another road user then I think I will reserve the right to voice my opinion.Obviously I do not know the history behind the picture, perhaps you could enlighten me?
And in my opinion yes, you are an idiot or at the very least your attitude is at best idiotic, I hope that as I previously mentioned that this was a pi$$ take and albeit in bad taste, but considering your "joke" about women pilots, I have my doubts.

If you are going around a corner that you can not see around and stop in time then perhaps you are at fault.

[shokenore]

Tick well, not the hoody part...

Hoodies do have their uses, when stalking your preferred prey you can raise the hood to shield the sun from your eyes, I am obviously referring to rabbit/pigeon/deer/fish, and not old ladies and their pension.....

[QUOTE=woodwarm;802709]

What about a white van man who rides a bike, who also rides a motorbike, who also drives a 4x4 and goes shooting and eats meat and wears hoodies.....[/QUOT


"eats meat"

You saying he's GAY ?
lol i should have clarified with eating meat cooked by fire grrr grrr

ps

TIG has left the building

Well as my thimble of care was a bit full just as well.

[Evelix]

Sad that this thread seems inexorably to have moved towards dialecticism, when each opinion has some validity. Of course cyclists - along with pedestrians, horses, carts and wheelbarrows - have a perfect right to be on the road; unfortunately, they also have a perfect right to be killed. The problem is that all roadbuilding and improving in the last 80 or so years has been designed for one class of vehicle - the car and truck. No provision has been made for cyclists (except in cases of particularly inspired planning such as Stevenage New Town) and precious little for pedestrians. For government to proselytise cycling on the roads without making provision for it is plainly disgraceful.

I live in a remote area of Scotland where our arterial 'A' road would look more like a country 'B' road in southern England. This narrow, winding route is used by cars and vans, motorcycles, cyclists, pedestrians, horse riders, tractors, 42 tonne HGVs, buses and coaches. Already a recipe for disaster - which occurs all too often - the addition to this melange of well-meaning idiots walking or cycling from Land's End to John O'Groats for charity makes it lethal. It seems entirely reasonable to keep intrinsically slow-moving traffic off the main roads whilst campaigning vociferously for them to be better provided for.