WVO user's Help !!

[Diezel Weazel]

A couple of weeks ago one of my WVO suppliers text me, alerting me that EHO (Enviromental Health Organisation) had paid her a visit, n not best pleased !!

They went mental at the fact she allowed me to collect her WVO without a permit or License ... (she text me back later on the QT) after EHO had left n informed me she won't be able to let me collect her WVO from now on as they will be back later in the month to check on her receipts !!!
I normally collect between 3 - 4 20 litre containers a fortnight (left out after business finishes)
I have some good info that says as long as I'm self using / collection this is Ok, as long as I collect no more than 20 litre's at a time ...
Any body know any different ? or clarify this ..

Thanks

Jess
nearly 10 years of Surfs
"Cos short cuts can cost more in the long run"

[Spoggle]

Not too sure if this is right, but I belive that you need to have a waste transfer licence now.

Spoggle

[childishlysimple]

I've been waiting for this post...

My (usually) regular oil suppliers have both gone quiet this last month also. When I went to another chippy to see if I could supplement my supply he told me a similar story.

It would appear that since the massive price hike in fuel EHO has been round to premises and given them the third degree over who their suppliers are and who collects the waste from them. The chippy in question said the man was aggressive and v pushy and that it was not a pleasant experience. He complied, but complained about it.

Since then I have talked to a friend who worked for environmental health who seemed to think that there is a case for the collection of wvo for use as fuel not coming under the need for a waste transfer license as it is not a waste product, any more than the original oil going to the chippy for their use, is.

Bottom line is that my suppliers have had the frighteners put on them by TPTB, and the waste oil collectors have put their 'buy back' price up at the same time. The end result here is the man who delivers my groceries from ASDA has extra long arms due to the sudden increase in shopping!

It fecks me off no end that my nice harmonious loop has been shat on by the man, when I was doing no harm to anyone,


co*ksuckers.

[murph]

Haven't heard of 'EHO'. They must mean EA as in Enviorment Agency. If they mean these, yeah they can stick their nose into anything they like. Little Hitlers.

[GRASSMAN]

Hi guys,

Wade thru' this lot and see what you need,


http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg...type=RESOURCES

Sorry.

Gman.

EDIT:
Just a thought, what happens if you BUY it? say a penny a litre?
it then becomes a sale, not a waste collection, worth asking about.

Gman.

[MWS]

A couple of weeks ago one of my WVO suppliers text me, alerting me that EHO (Enviromental Health Organisation) had paid her a visit, n not best pleased !!

They went mental at the fact she allowed me to collect her WVO without a permit or License ... (she text me back later on the QT) after EHO had left n informed me she won't be able to let me collect her WVO from now on as they will be back later in the month to check on her receipts !!!
I normally collect between 3 - 4 20 litre containers a fortnight (left out after business finishes)
I have some good info that says as long as I'm self using / collection this is Ok, as long as I collect no more than 20 litre's at a time ...
Any body know any different ? or clarify this ..

Thanks

Jess
nearly 10 years of Surfs
"Cos short cuts can cost more in the long run"

Hi Jess. If you take a look on here. www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk . There's info about collecting and issuing your own waste transfer notes. Its an interesting point, though, about buying it for a nominal fee, with an invoice. Surely that makes it a purchased product and not a waste transfer.....Cheers....Mick.

[HONEST AL]

wvo & environmental health officers

A mate of mine is an EHO with a local authority,so I asked him what is the sp locally,and not as an official enquiry.

He said that if you were using it as fuel in a vehicle it could be classed as recycling here, and not as waste

He also said that one of the girls in his office actually gets hers from a local restaurant and as yet no one has said anything to her,and that they are really only worried about wvo if it is found that someone is disposing of it down the drains.

Now I know that 99.999% of us would not dream of this,but he says that many members of the public see nothing wrong in disposing of waste oil/old engine oil, in this manner,and that is what they get tetchy about.Especially now as some councils are trying to charge for entry to a waste disposal site(tip)

He will make discreet enquiries tomorrow and let me know. Alan

[Diezel Weazel]

Thanks for your comments guys..... I'll look it to em, please keep em coming !!

My real moan there seems like real hippocracy. (Spelling)
For HMRC's to allow an allowance of 2500 litre's yearly usage per Vehicle n then for another Org or Agency (HSA n EHO) to put obstacles in ya way don't make much sense !! Do they ever
With rising Fuel prices is it not always the way tho that they then find ways of
Fcuking us if not one way then another again !!

Cheers Guys

Jess
nearly 10 years of Surfs
"Cos short cuts can cost more in the long run"

[BUSHWHACKER]

.......Especially now as some councils are trying to charge for entry to a waste disposal site(tip)

Excellent way to encourage fly tipping.

[GRASSMAN]

Excellent way to encourage fly tipping.

When we were into autograss racing, we allways found it
difficult to get rid of old car tyres, so, off to the local tip,
"can't put them in there"!! was the standard answer, so,
wifey phoned the council about the problem, and was told
take them to your local tip, if they refuse them, get his
name, and call me back. The next visit, the same answer
until we treatened to fly tip them, and asked for his name,
(we then explained why), we were asked to put them in the
skip marked tyres only!!! Playing the rules works sometimes.

Gman.

[biosurf]

Hi Jess
Sorry to hear this. It's been ages since i read up on this - vegetableoildiesel is the place for it but don't bother using the search function, its rubbish, instead type your search in google like this
"waste transfer" site:vegetableoildiesel.co.uk

Downloadable form here http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/....php?tid=17250

Other pertinent thread here
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/...tion=printable


As far as I remember the businesses are meant to request one as it's their way of proving to the environmental health that they arent flushing it down the bog and have proof that its going somewhere.
I always had them ready printed but the one place that moaned at me for needing them, then never wanted them once I had printed them out!

I called up the local EA and asked for a waste transfer exemption for collecting it and using it in my vehicle. The girl on the phone said I didnt need to register so I asked her if she would mind if I put the fact that she had said this to me in an email, sent it to her and then she replied to confirm. I also always have this with me.

Text of this is:

Hi Paul

It was a pleasure to speak to you too and thank you for your enquiry regarding the requirement to register as a waste carrier for the collection of waste vegetable oil for private use.

If you are just using the waste oil in your own private vehicle for your own private use, not using it for commercial reasons and not selling it on (i.e.not part of any business or with a view to profit), then you do not need to register as a waste carrier. Please see the following link to our website for more information:

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...51141/1951196/

Please also see the attached fact sheet, which includes frequently asked questions, and guidance on how to complete waste transfer notes (also attached).

More information about transfer notes and duty of care can be found at the link below.

http://www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/27...sion=1&lang=_e

I trust you will find this information useful. Please do not hesitate to contact us again if you require any further information.

Kind Regards
Kay Hall
Customer Service Advisor
National Customer Contact Centre
Environment Agency
Telephone: 08708 506 506

enquiries@environment-agency.gov.uk


From:

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Hi Kay
Pleasure to speak to you just now.

To confirm what you have said on the phone to me: If I am collecting used oil from any supplier that I will be using for my own personal use or that of a friend I do not need a waste carriers licence as I am exempt from this. However, the environment agency do agree for me to collect this oil as long as I provide a waste transfer note to the business I collect it from.

Where a licence number would be added I only need to write 'low risk waste activity' this waste transfer note given by me to the business I collect from will be recognised by the environment agency in the same way as that of a registered waste oil collection company and therefore the business will be fulfilling all environment agency guidelines in terms of disposal of their used oil.

To clarify, the waste transfer note I give the business bearing my name will be accepted by the environment agency as a valid receipt of disposal of their waste oil

I look forward to receiving the waste transfer note from you

Very kind regards




The FAQ she attached was
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS: DOMESTIC BIODIESEL PRODUCTION



Do I need a Waste Carriers Licence to transport used cooking oil if I am buying it for my own use?

You do not need a waste carriers licence if you:

• are buying the oil for your own use in your own private vehicle;
• are not profiting from the activity;
• are not collecting it or using it as part of a commercial or business enterprise.

Does a transfer note need to be completed when the producer of waste cooking oil gives it to somebody complying with the conditions above?

Yes, a transfer note should be completed. You can find a template here:

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...er_2044866.pdf

In Section C1 under company address, you would put your home address. In Section C2 you would tick "Exempt from the requirement to register", explaining that you are collecting oil to make biodiesel for your own personal use.

Both parties should keep a copy of this transfer note for their records.

Can people sell used vegetable oil on Ebay or advertise it in other ways?

Yes. If the used vegetable oil is being sold by the producer of the waste they can do so. If the used vegetable oil is being sold by a third party it will be necessary for them to be a registered waste broker.

How do you suggest we dispose of glycerol?

Glycerol can be used in the oleochemical industry, but few markets exist for the small amounts produced by householders. Do not pour glycerol down the drain without getting the authority of your sewage undertaker. Your local authority will provide you with advice on appropriate civic amenity sites which are able to accept this waste.

Bunding requirements for Used Cooking Oil and biodiesel

For domestic oil storage the Oil Storage Regulation apply to containers with a storage capacity of more than 3,500 litres

http://www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/27...sion=1&lang=_e

We would advise the following:

• Oils and chemicals are stored in an area where spills can be contained. This should be within an impermeable bund. A bund is a secondary containment area that holds liquids if the main containers leak or break. If you have one oil storage container in a bund, the bund must be able to hold 110% of its volume. If you have more than one container in a bund, the bund must be able to hold 25% of the total volume of the containers or 110% of the largest container’s volume. Bunds should be inspected regularly and rainwater removed;
• Tanks should be located at least 10 metres from watercourses and steps should be taken to minimise the risk of damage to the tanks/bund by impact.

Further information on pollution prevention is available

http://www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/se...51303/1762317/.

When does waste vegetable oil cease to be waste?

Waste vegetable oil ceases to be classified as a waste at the point of combustion in a vehicle’s engine. However, the Environment Agency has developed a low risk position whereby biodiesel produced from waste cooking oil is not subject to waste regulation as long as it is stored securely.

This low risk waste position (LRW03) covers:

• The storage of up to 5000 litres of cooking oil prior to recovery;
• The treatment of up to 250 litres at anytime of waste cooking oil to produce biodiesel;
• The secure storage of waste derived biodiesel (a fuel derived from the treatment of waste cooking oil and animal fat);
• The recovery of waste derived biodiesel as a fuel in motor vehicles.

Waste activities must not be carried out in a manner that causes or is likely to cause pollution or harm to human health. If we consider that an activity is or is likely to pollute or cause harm we will consider legal action.

The storage of the waste cooking oil must be in a secure place. A place is secure if all reasonable precautions are taken to ensure that the waste cannot escape from it and members of the public are unable to gain access to the waste.

Are there any Health and Safety Guidelines I should follow when making biodiesel?

Yes. These guidelines from the HSE website should be followed:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/biodiesel.htm


What about the lower rate of excise duty on biodiesel?

You can find out more information on this from the HM Revenue and Customs website:

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...HMCE_CL_000205




Bottom line is, paperwork is king. If they have something to file, even if it's a spurious piece of worthless crap they will hopefully be happy.


Good luck with it.

[Diezel Weazel]

Interesting....thanks for the info Paul.
Hope ya Trucks back to health or very soon will be !!

Jess
nearly 10 years of Surfs
"Cos short cuts can cost more in the long run"

[Long way 'round]

I've been making my own Biodiesel since Oct. last year with no probs. The original post got me worried that the goal posts had been moved in order to claw back some revenue.

So I looked up on the EA website but just to make sure I phoned them today just incase there were changes not yet shown on the site. The woman I spoke to told me there hasn't been any change as far as domestic producers are concerned, as long as you don't sell any, you don't need a waste transfer permit as it is an exempt activity.

My theory is that it isn't out of the bounds of possibility that the fresh oil supplier has gone to "enquire" while allowing the proprietor to assume they represent an agency, with the intention of scaring them into giving them the waste oil. Waste oil is a big business round here, within 12 miles of me there are 3 biodiesel producers that supply only to the haulage industry. The minimum amount of finished biodiesel you can buy from any of them is 1500 ltr. @ 97p/ltr.

Of course I may be paranoid and/or cynical.

Biosurf knows exactly what he's talking about and has made sense of everything for us, Cheers Biosurf.

[Apache]

Excellent way to encourage fly tipping.

I seem to recall suggesting the same thing a few years back with the advent of the council issuing vouchers to use the local tips.

Since then, I've seen a couch and a freezer in the same country lane passing place inside a year.

[biosurf]

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Biosurf knows exactly what he's talking about and has made sense of everything for us

First time for everything. I know feck all about cars so may as well add something.


Jess, just a thought, and this may be my memory playing tricks on me but I have a sneaking suspicion that they see amking biodiesel as being seperate to just filtering and using veg. I could be wrong but if you speak to someone and you start getting any negative answers try saying that you are converting it to biodiesel and see if its any better.

As I say I could be wrong but could be worth trying if the worst happens.