Recall done, Not road worthy

[Apache]

I know that as your opinion as I've read it many times here (and agreed). I've also read even more times from other members that removing front and rear makes no difference at all....


Rob.

Hehe, my 'opinions' wear thin frequently - but what the hell!

Front DOES make a difference. Anyone who says it makes none possibly shouldn't be driving.

[wishbone]

Where'd you get that idea?!?!

I think the opinion as I remember it (and certainly in my experience) was that the rear makes next to no difference, but the front makes quite a difference.

I know that as your opinion as I've read it many times here (and agreed). I've also read even more times from other members that removing front and rear makes no difference at all....


Rob.

[Apache]

Sorry if it made me look pious but I am entiltled to an opinion that differs to the forums.....

Rob.

Where'd you get that idea?!?!

I think the opinion as I remember it (and certainly in my experience) was that the rear makes next to no difference, but the front makes quite a difference. I still say if you drive like a cock, without taking due care of the changes that mods make, you'll crash sooner or later, whatever your vehicle. No front ARB just became too much of a PITA for me on roundabouts though.

Yes, I have Milners bearings, and I wouldn't mind betting they come from SKS just the same as the Roughtrax ones. They seem fine fitted as I said. Tighten, check play, drive, check and adjust if necessary.

[wishbone]

Where's 'all the people' who had bearings wear out in a year on here? Just curious...

<edit> Oh b0llocks to it. Tighten them till your socket rounds off, or... dont fit a nut at all and have your wheels fall off.

Just use a bit of common. Tighten, check for play, drive, tighten / loosen to suit.

I dont really give a shit.

Maybe it's all wrapped up in the pro roughtrax anti milners thing (but I'm pretty sure you have milners bearings fitted fine..) If you search on front wheel bearings there's a lot of 'my milners bearings wore out after a year' type posts.. Maybe they weren't fitted properly ?

Rob.

[wishbone]

I dunno, I just found your comment a bit preachy.

It wasn't mean't to be 'preachy'.

I had read over and over how removing the roll bars did nothing to affect the handling on this forum. When I got in a bind (rear roll bar bolt sheared so I left rear bar off for a while, and then removed front bar as the new drop links didn't turn up and I had to go on a camping holiday) I spent a week without front and rear bars and absolutely hated it. Even my wife noticed the change on the first corner from leaving home.

So I've decided not to agree with the way nearly everybody here thinks that removing the roll bars has no effect on handling.

When I saw how this guy had 'lost it' avoiding a head on (transit ?) it made me think of the 'elk test' and how this situation was similar...

Sorry if it made me look pious but I am entiltled to an opinion that differs to the forums.....

Rob.

[Apache]

Where's 'all the people' who had bearings wear out in a year on here? Just curious...

<edit> Oh b0llocks to it. Tighten them till your socket rounds off, or... dont fit a nut at all and have your wheels fall off.

Just use a bit of common. Tighten, check for play, drive, tighten / loosen to suit.

I dont really give a shit.

[BUSHWHACKER]

Dunno about the 'weight of a hand' on it. I set mine up with a spring gauge and was suprised how tight it had to be... Made me think about all the people on here who've had their bearings wear out after a year or so, and if they'd set up according to the manual...

Rob.

Absolutely.

[Apache]

Dunno about the 'weight of a hand' on it. I set mine up with a spring gauge and was suprised how tight it had to be... Made me think about all the people on here who've had their bearings wear out after a year or so, and if they'd set up according to the manual...

Rob.

Well, overtightening is FAR worse than slight play. Good bearings (not worn) can be just over hand tight and have no play. When the bearing gets hot in use, it expands and tightens, then it's too tight.

[wishbone]

Dunno about the 'weight of a hand' on it. I set mine up with a spring gauge and was suprised how tight it had to be... Made me think about all the people on here who've had their bearings wear out after a year or so, and if they'd set up according to the manual...

Rob.

[Apache]

tbh it made me think of all the guys who've taken off their roll bars and lifted their trucks here

I wont give this a longwinded response. I'll just say 'drive within a vehicles limits and you'll be fine'.

A vehicle's limits change depending on modifications, and raising suspension / removing ARBs doesn't make it more dangerous. Not appreciating the changes in handling the mods bring on does.

I drove mine with both ARBs removed, a 5" lift and 33" tyres for about a year and didn't kill myself or my family. It was sort of natural that driving style changed. I decided I preferred the ride of the vehicle with the front ARB back on, so thats how it stands.

I dunno, I just found your comment a bit preachy.

[Apache]

Will prob just need tightened with a socket as it was just nipped up last time when i done brakes

Dont use a socket. You've probably got a pipe wrench somewhere... it really shouldn't be any tighter than 'just the weight of a hand on it'

[wishbone]

What makes it heartbreaking is that the truck looks superb from the outside yet the important 'hidden' stuff was bodged... Such a waste of time and money to look the part when the running gear was left a dangerous mess.

Rob

EDIT: from what I read at the time the bloke was driving dangerously aswell so that may play a significant part in this sad story..


tbh it made me think of all the guys who've taken off their roll bars and lifted their trucks here

[Sancho]

There gunning for us now

in which i mean, modded 4bys

Not really gunning for anyone. That truck had a catastrophic failure of a suspension component. Unfortunate and sad though it is, the guy had been messing with it and it's his fault.

[Cant Get Right]

Will prob just need tightened with a socket as it was just nipped up last time when i done brakes

[wishbone]

Is that 'nip it up' with a socket or 'smack it up' with a chisel ? - I had to tighten my off side bearing for my MOT and the nut looked like it had never been touched by a socket. It was in a right sorry state. Will be replacing all front bearings and nuts this summer...

Rob.