Recall done, Not road worthy

[nero279]

I agree with nero279....

don't do that, in a sense i'm playing devils advocate, I do believe most of what i'm saying though. The point i'm trying to get across is exactly what you picked up though.

The biggest single component that's going to help you out here is the condition (and quality) of the actual suspension components, they're what's going to keep the tyres on the ground and in line under the truck (hopefully), next the loading of the truck whether everythings stowed securely etc, or if there's suddenly going to be 4 bags of sand shifting about in the back of the truck, or a load move on the roof rack, then you're tyres, i.e) your contact point with the road,etc...

....and so on....

...somewhere way down the list is whether you've got ARBs fitted or not.




The other point to make is that a truck with the ARBs removed is allmost certainly going to have other mods too. IE, quite possibly suspension, tyres, body lift

[wishbone]

I've not really stuck my oar in yet, could do for a laugh if you like?

You're a self proclaimed mechanic expert - go for it Please

Rob.

[BUSHWHACKER]

The thing is, I don't really care if anyone has arb's or not.... I'm not trying to insult people who remove their roll bars. I was just saying that the LR crash made me think of the roll bar removal topic and state that I'll be keeping mine.

You've said it will make no difference in an emergency avoidance situation. I've disagreed - fair enough whatever...

However in my search on roll bars tonight I've seen loads of threads saying you need to drive differently if you remove the front arb... Also loads saying 'if you drive like you haven't removed the roll bars when you have expect trouble' or words to that effect.. Your choice not mine..

Rob.

S'ok Rob, chill. I/we/some of us agree with you, but this thread is going 'round in circles.

[BUSHWHACKER]

I've not really stuck my oar in yet, could do for a laugh if you like?

Yeah, or should we wait 'till Apache comes in from the pub tomorrow evening?

[wishbone]

-typical forum thing-

[joker??]

on 2nd gen fitted procomps , milners stiffer springs and spring spacers noticed when i took arbs off the truck weighed less



jeeze some thread

[Albannach]

Do you also agree that this thread has become so incredibly boring ?

I've not really stuck my oar in yet, could do for a laugh if you like?

[Sancho]

Do you also agree that this thread has become so incredibly boring ?

Rather

[BUSHWHACKER]

I agree with that too.

Do you also agree that this thread has become so incredibly boring ?

[Sancho]

I agree with nero279, changing the shocks makes a vast difference.

I agree with that too.

[Maverick]

Forgot to add, I also kept control when a car tried taking my bonnet off on the motorway when towing, I did use all three lanes getting it back under control.

I agree with nero279, changing the shocks makes a vast difference. Changing the suspension all round (shocks, springs and torsion bars) creates a wholse new car feeling, that I have to remember when ever I collect my sisters truck to work on it.

[nero279]

I think the car with arb's will be sliding at the point that the no arb truck will be flipping...

Possibly, I really would be interested to see it tested in a controlled environment. But that's simply not going to happen. So in the meantime i'll drive within what i believe my vehicle can do, whether the ARBs are on or off, i've had them both on and off in the past. And noticed the difference replacing my rear shocks made a hell of a lot more than i noticed having the rear ARB taken on / off.

[Sancho]

I don't really agree with that... I believe that with the roll bars installed the surf will lose traction on the inside rear wheel and start to slide, whereas without the roll bar the body will lurch to the outside of the corner and pull the truck over. Obviously at very extreme situations. I think the car with arb's will be sliding at the point that the no arb truck will be flipping...

Rob.

Taking it to the extreme, I agree. And I'm leaving it at that.

[wishbone]

still think if she's throwing the steering wheel around violently enough to put the car on it's side she'll do it with or without ARBs attached. The same speed and same change of direction = the same momentum and the same forces involved. If the forces are enough to put the car on it's side they will. What will change is the way the car handles up to that point, and how it let's go when it does. It will still roll at exactly the same point.

Or at least that's my interpretation of the way they work, like i said i'm willing to be proved wrong.

I don't really agree with that... I believe that with the roll bars installed the surf will lose traction on the inside rear wheel and start to slide, whereas without the roll bar the body will lurch to the outside of the corner and pull the truck over. Obviously at very extreme situations. I think the car with arb's will be sliding at the point that the no arb truck will be flipping...

Rob.

[wishbone]

I've never swerved for rabbits, pheasants or foxes. I've never had a deer run out so close as to have to swerve but have braked hard for them when there's been no one behind me.

I really would not like to hit a deer square on at 50 though..

Rob.

Edit for Maverick : I run es9000's all round with milners uprated springs at rear..