Biodiesel Available In South West London

[lclascaris]

yup send it all over.comparitive tests i feel

It's wrapped up & going 1st class today, it's in a box with loads of bubble wrap & plastic bags. The biodiesel is in a diet coke bottle....just so you know that one's from me & not Muj.

I only put your first name on the box as I didn't know your surname.

This was the last of the biodiesel that I bought & it's what I have been running my Surf on for the last 3 weeks or so at 50%. It has been in my jerry can for about 3 weeks if that makes any difference? Can it deteriorate??!!?

Looking forward to the test results as I am down to a 1/4 of a tank.

Thank you Graham for your time in testing it, I hope it's good stuff as I want more of it, & it will also be great for anyone else on this forum.

Just to say that my Surf is still running just as well as usual on it....hopefully 100% bio+ soon?

[lclascaris]

Have you received it Graham?

[gwh200]

Have you received it Graham?

yup picked it up this morning.i have taken a photo of it in its original mixed state, and am allowing it to settle out over the next few hours.first thoughts/observations are

1.lots of suspended solids within this sample
2.the ph of this particular sample is above 7.8
3.the ph and suspended solids are not to be thought detrimental until ll the available tests are done,which will be on monday/tuesday(when the centrifuge is available

watch this space

(and who drinks DIET coke,seems to me they have done a grand job getting the cat to sit over the bottle)

[MattF]

yup picked it up this morning.i have taken a photo of it in its original mixed state, and am allowing it to settle out over the next few hours.first thoughts/observations are

1.lots of suspended solids within this sample

Possibility that they *may* be from the storage container it was in. Due to the fuel bloke never sending you a sample, however, that's nigh on impossible to deduce correctly.

2.the ph of this particular sample is above 7.8
3.the ph and suspended solids are not to be thought detrimental until ll the available tests are done,which will be on monday/tuesday(when the centrifuge is available.

Visible suspended solids ain't a good sign though, with all the processing and washing that should have gone through. Unless they've been introduced afterwards, one would expect it to be fairly spotless.

Btw, just a snippet from one site regarding quality and pH:

Quality Testing

Soap, methanol, and lye will still be suspended in your biodiesel. You can test for these because they are chemical bases. The pH of unwashed biodiesel will be above 8, and you want your finished fuel to be pH 7, neutral. If the pH is high, you can use less lye. If you shake up some of the biodiesel with water and it won't settle out, you have soap and other impurities in the biodiesel.

[gwh200]

tbh matt,not sure wheter or not this is contamination.i have pipetted a very small anount out and its flammable ??
i thought it was calcified,but its ,fat based acording to the register.i am really only guessing though till i get it into the scales and filtered .etc.


i would love this to be ok but in its present stste i wouldnt chuck this cloudy stuff on me barby !!!

have you seen the pic of yoshie's filtered wvo........it looks quite similair,except this has more ss

[MattF]

It's been a fair old while since I last did any revision on the subject of bio, so the old memory may be somewhat off, but from what I remember, it definitely shouldn't be resembling Yoshie's filtered WVO. There is always the probability that some colouring will carry through, but a lot of it should be removed.

Unless your analysis turns up any nuggets to the contrary, it ain't exactly disappointing my expectations, I can honestly say. I may end up being completely wrong, but I had a feeling this would turn out to be the usual 'processed' fare.

p.s: With regards to flammability, I'm not sure on that one. I'll find out, however.

[lclascaris]

The sample that I sent to you Graham came directly from one of Gemini Bio's 1000 litre containers & then into my jerry can which has had diesel in at one stage but was empty when filled with the bio diesel. There may have been some trace of diesel but it would have been minimal (maybe a tea spoon) & the jerry can was filled with about 18 litres of the bio.

The jerry can has stood still in my garage with what I sent you for about 3 weeks.

My Surf was empty today so I filled up with fossil diesel as I am not confident at the results anymore.....big shame!

But you never know in a couple of days you may report the stuff to be of superb quality & we will all be queing outside Muj's place to fill up!

I just hope that if it isn't any good no damage to my fuel system would have been caused.

Many Thanks

Lewis

[joker??]

The sample that I sent to you Graham came directly from one of Gemini Bio's 1000 litre containers & then into my jerry can which has had diesel in at one stage but was empty when filled with the bio diesel. There may have been some trace of diesel but it would have been minimal (maybe a tea spoon) & the jerry can was filled with about 18 litres of the bio.

The jerry can has stood still in my garage with what I sent you for about 3 weeks.

My Surf was empty today so I filled up with fossil diesel as I am not confident at the results anymore.....big shame!

But you never know in a couple of days you may report the stuff to be of superb quality & we will all be queing outside Muj's place to fill up!

I just hope that if it isn't any good no damage to my fuel system would have been caused.

Many Thanks

Lewis

bet your yourself now




doubt if its done any harm otherwise you would have known by now

[lclascaris]

[QUOTE=joker??;464222]bet your yourself now



If it does turn out to be rubbish, I will be as Muj was given it the whole my fuel is the best etc you won't be disappointed, please recommend it to your friends etc etc etc!!!

But the amount that is produced in his premises there will be lots of unhappy customers if fuel pumps start failing.

I suppose the cash price is all about no come back!!!

[joker??]

[QUOTE=lclascaris;464226]

bet your yourself now



If it does turn out to be rubbish, I will be as Muj was given it the whole my fuel is the best etc you won't be disappointed, please recommend it to your friends etc etc etc!!!

But the amount that is produced in his premises there will be lots of unhappy customers if fuel pumps start failing.

I suppose the cash price is all about no come back!!!

i;m not saying that muj's fuel is cr@p [we will have to see]
there is allways comeback unless he tells you it is crap thats why its so cheap etc, then its on your own shoulders if you use it

[gwh200]

it might turn out fine,guessing now will do no good at all,lets just wait and see

[gwh200]

well fan my brow,this stuff is FILTHY



I thought it loked a little turbid,but crikey,im sure it should be filtered a lot more than this.anyway i left it in a nice cool place and allowed it to settle ..which it did.....and if i had used any of this,i would certainly change my fuel filter asap



the pic aint great but an awful lot of solids have settled out.there should be some detergent ,lye,or maybe some catalyst from the transtesterification that escaped the cooking vessel,but this much ??

the settled stuff covers the bottom inch of the bottle,dont look good

[CaptainBeaky]

Can't see the photos here at work - I'll have a look when I get home...

[gwh200]

hi peter.
its not great.the original sample is the sme (ish) sort of colour as the yellow type face this message is using.over 24 hours its settled to a dark ,wvo type colour,with an inch of flammable(,i pipetted some out yesterday and it ignites below 105 c) fatty deposit.just from a solids point of view i will not use this in my surf.......more analysis tomorrow(in between begging the lab to release our sludge %ds results)

[MattF]

Even if this was a cross contamination issue somewhere along the line, the fuel bloke has p1ssed up his own back now by not sending a sample initially. There's no way a future sample, (if he bothered offering to send one again, which I doubt), could be trusted.

Now you peeps know why I distrust the commercial so called 'biodiesel' producers. I've yet to see a decent example.


p.s: Peter, the pics look terrible. First example is awash with what looks like fat globules or suchlike in suspension, and the second is a dark fluid with all that crud settled at the bottom of the container.