Oh dear, poor LR owners.......

[TonyN]

This will cheer you up is your truck is playing up, I was searching around for info in Freelander immobilsers, and came across this forum...........

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...w/.eea90db/851

If you have plenty of time, read the plight of the poor LR owners!

Then, click on the Toyota section, and randomly pick a post and the only thing that comes up a lot is MPG issues (this is on new V8 trucks remember)

It'll make you feel much happier you didn't buy a LR.



But it still didn't solve my problem, this car has sat for 6 months, battery was flat, with a new battery everything works but it won't turn over, not even a click from the soloniod, anyone know if its got a immobilser that needs resetting?

[Gamedawn]

It's not near a mobile phone mast, is it? Twice now I've seen letters about Exploders where people complain that they won't start if they are parked near a phone mast - push them 100yds down the road and they fire up. Ford apparently learned nothing from their problems with cruise controls.

[andy]

Tony.

Did you read this page. http://www.remotekey.co.uk/cars/land-rover/freelander/

[TonyN]

Tony.

Did you read this page. http://www.remotekey.co.uk/cars/land-rover/freelander/

I've only been given a key!!!

[andy]

I did read somewhere that you need to lock it and unlock then try and start it.

[Gizmo]

This will cheer you up is your truck is playing up, I was searching around for info in Freelander immobilsers, and came across this forum...........

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...w/.eea90db/851

If you have plenty of time, read the plight of the poor LR owners!

Then, click on the Toyota section, and randomly pick a post and the only thing that comes up a lot is MPG issues (this is on new V8 trucks remember)

It'll make you feel much happier you didn't buy a LR.



But it still didn't solve my problem, this car has sat for 6 months, battery was flat, with a new battery everything works but it won't turn over, not even a click from the soloniod, anyone know if its got a immobilser that needs resetting?

Sounds like it gots some immobiliser feature....have you tried turning the key several times to see if it re-registers itself...if not most probably LR Garage for the codes.

I know on my immobilser that I have one master key-fob to use to reset, the other is then programmed from the original

[Bikenuts]

Don’t talk to me about Freelanders – I had one before the Surf complete POS in the 3 months I had it the immobilizer played up twice, the transfer box blew up, the rear tyres went square (well three penny bit shaped) and the trim kept coming lose and rattling. A pity because so many things on it were good – comfortable seats, good storage (puts a Surf to shame) handled well, economical (I had the older Rover diesel and got 36-38 mpg), quite quick and reasonably confident off road.

[laser_jock@work]

Don’t talk to me about Freelanders

You want a complete list of KNOWN Freelander problems the look below if you've time (this was compiled by some unlucky owners campaign group).....

Based on much modified old Rover 200 floorpan. Nissan's X-Trail 2.2DI Sport 6-speed is better in every respect. TD4s initially hard to get hold of due to supply problems with BMW engines. Initial promise of high quality build not met. Lots of niggly failures. Main failure on 1.8s is the engine through head gasket failure. By 1994 second failures of previously repaired 1.8s on 1997 - 2000 Freelanders due to bore liners dropping and a shortage of used replacement engines was putting a lot of them off the road (website link www.shame.4mg.com). Also failures of hill descent control, driveshafts and gearboxes, transfer cases and blocked ventilation slots (Sunday Times 6/3/99). Original Rover engined DI model failed miserably in police use. More ponderous than Honda CRV, Toyota RAV-4 and X-Trail and more expensive than CRV. Not as economical as expected, but Rover diesel can average 35 mpg at a 70 mph cruise. Became increasingly expensive with Freelander 50th 5-door diesel listed at £24,995. Several recalls. Many owners taking a hit, getting out and getting into fault-free Honda CRVs, RAV-4s and X-Trails. Low profile tyres fitted to 'Millennium' model Freelanders are't up to suburban kerb mounting, which is the main off road activity of these vehicles. S and T platers 16th from bottom in 2001 Top Gear / J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Survey. In June 2001 Land Rover was rated by Motor Warranty Direct as Britain's 2nd worst out of 22 marques for warranty claims (www.warrantydirect.co.uk)1.8 K Series head gasket failures website link www.shame.4mg.com By July 2003 several reports of head gasket failure of the KV6. One report of failure of rear axle at 47k miles; another at 76k miles: apparently by no means unique. Several reports of Steptronic gearbox problems on the KV6. No brake pad wear warning system, so pads must be physically inspected. Loss of power of TS4 may be due to failure of mass airflow sensor which costs £250 to replace.

2nd bottom of 100 models for reliability in Auto Express 2002 survey. 7th from Bottom in 144 car 2002 JD Power / What Car? Customer Satisfaction Survey of V and W reg cars. LandRover had joint highest average cost in warranty claims for cars up to 10 years old in 2002 Warranty Direct index. Joint third bottom in 2002 Which reliability survey of cars up to 2 years old; 106 cars surveyed. Land Rover 3rd least reliable of 31 makes of car in 2002 'Which?' reliability survey cars 2000 - 2002; least reliable of 32 makes built 1997 - 1999. Only three stars in 2003 NCAP crash test ratings. Land Rovers had third highest warranty repair costs in 2003 Warranty Direct Reliability index (index 167.53 v/s lowest 31.93). 1998-2002 petrol rated poor for breakdowns and problems, average for faults; 1998-2000 diesel rated average for breakdowns and faults, poor for problems; 2001-2003 petrol rated average for breakdowns and problems, poor for faults in 2003 Which survey. 8th from bottom out of 137 models in 2003 Top Gear survey. Freelander 9th bottom model in 2004 JD Power Customer Satisfaction Survey. Only 89% of cars up to 2 years old breakdown-free over previous 12 months in 2004 Which? survey, yet gasket problem was supposed to have been fixed from 2001 production. Land Rover 4th bottom of Reliability Index for 2004 combining average cost of repair of £367.03 with highest 46.23 failures per 100 Warranty Direct policies. Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk Freelander 5th least reliable car in 2005 Warranty Direct Reliability Survey with 55 repair claims per 100 cars. Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk


Water level sensor kit available for the MGF and TF for £89.99 from MG Specialists such as Brown and Gammons (01462 490049) www.ukmgparts.com may also fit Freelander.

EXCEPT FOR TD4 NOT RECOMMENDED. ESPECIALLY AVOID EARLY 1.8s.

Now reports of failures of Jatco 'Steptronic' autoboxes after 45k miles and 3 years. Spares and knoweledge of the box hard to find in UK so usually means a new box at 4.5k.

K-Series engine failure class action solicitors www.irwinmitchell.com/groupaction/

Following MG Rover's demise, may be problems over the supply of K series 1.8 and 2.5V6 petrol engines.


Further explanation for K Series head gasket failures in Freelanders, with thanks to Robert Ambler:-

In a Freelander the transmission incorporates an Intermediate
Reduction Drive unit which provides the 4WD capability. The
lubricant in this gets very hot and so is passed through a heat
exchanger connected to the engine cooling system. This is fed by
comparatively small bore coolant piping and is located lower and
further back than the rest of the cooling system. If the engine
coolant is drained for any reason (and of course the service advice
for the all aluminium K series engines recommends draining and
flushing the cooling system at least every 24,000 miles I believe)
air locks can develop in this heat exchanger. This causes the engine
(and the transmission) to overheat causing head gasket failure and
probably other damage. The heat exchanger has separate bleed points
to prevent air locks but these are apparently fiddly to get at (and
not obvious from an under bonnet inspection) and thus this service
item often does not get done.

What to Watch Out For
Signs of severe usage. Tow hooks (what's it been towing? Neither the 1.8 nor the diesel is really powerful enough). Underside damage. Drivetrain leaks. Make sure everything works, especially the 'hill descent control', if fitted. Main problem area is drivetrain: gearbox, transfer box and rear diff. Reports of accelerator of 1.8 petrol models sticking and leading to accidents. Quite common for 1.8 to lose its coolant through inlet manifold gasket failure and small coolant capacity of engine leads to severe overheating. Reports of gearbox failures. Check clutch operation carefully as off road driving can lead them to fail in as little as 20,000 miles due to lack of a low range first gear. Severe shortage of spare parts for accident repairs in late 2002 to early 2003 led to many Freelanders off the road for months. AVOID EARLY 1.8s. Care needed not to overfill TD4 with engine lube oil."

[TonyN]

Rememind me never to buy a Freelander, jeeze!!!

LR built the car to drive the front wheels faster than the rear, to make it handle like a FWD car, now because the viscous coupling on the rear driveshaft slipping all the time it seizes up, now the rear wheels are dragging, and it ruins the rear tyres and wears out the rear diff.

This W reg car only has 45k on the clock, and now needs a new viscous coupling, new rear diff and new rear tyres (apparently, this will be its 3rd set of tyres on the rear).

£££££'s.

[Diezel Weazel]

This will cheer you up is your truck is playing up, I was searching around for info in Freelander immobilsers, and came across this forum...........

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...w/.eea90db/851

If you have plenty of time, read the plight of the poor LR owners!

Then, click on the Toyota section, and randomly pick a post and the only thing that comes up a lot is MPG issues (this is on new V8 trucks remember)

It'll make you feel much happier you didn't buy a LR.



But it still didn't solve my problem, this car has sat for 6 months, battery was flat, with a new battery everything works but it won't turn over, not even a click from the soloniod, anyone know if its got a immobilser that needs resetting?

LR Tony ? is it not telling ya sommat!!!!!

There's always a Payback.... You just can't see it Comin !!!!

ps. Dont buy a Freelander i'll cost ya a packet !!!!!!