Is it wrong

[jotto]

If you were to take part in a charity event like the Mac 4x4 would you consider it wrong to get sponsors to give you bits for your car that you don't need for the event but just fancy.

I ask this because i know that some one taking part in the Mac has been given a snorkel for his car in return for putting stickers on his car.

Considering that there is an auction on the sunday night of any items that have been donated I find it very wrong for some one to gain out of a charity event.

Your thoughts on this please

[Vagrant No2]

If you were to take part in a charity event like the Mac 4x4 would you consider it wrong to get sponsors to give you bits for your car that you don't need for the event but just fancy.

I ask this because i know that some one taking part in the Mac has been given a snorkel for his car in return for putting stickers on his car.

Considering that there is an auction on the sunday night of any items that have been donated I find it very wrong for some one to gain out of a charity event.

Your thoughts on this please

Jon
You know my reply mate .

I dont know who , but I can guess who it might be .

[TonyN]

People will aways find a way for personal gain, at least they're still participating and hopefully raising money.

As long as the supplier is still donating as well as suppling the snorkle I could live with it. Its a iffy moral president though.

[Chillitt]

easy way out, if you get given something, fit it, then stick it in the auction and 'buy it' for a fair price. no one would expect you to pay full whack,and i doubt anyone doing a charity event will take the mick and buy bits already fitted... that or make a donation in leiu of...
sponsor has put the chap in an invidious position, i think, sponsor wins, driver gets grief, charity gets nowt..

[TonyN]

sponsor has put the chap in an invidious position, i think, sponsor wins, driver gets grief, charity gets nowt..

The way I read it the guy has asked for the snorkel in return for sponsorship. If the company has only supplied the snorkle and not giving more to Mac 4x4 its deffo wrong on the guys part.

[Phil her up]

Its difficult ground; the guy will no doubt be able to say how the charity will benifit by him taking part and therefore how it would be worse off if he didn't.
If the sponsor only requires the stickers to be fitted for the duration of the event it would not be morally correct unless they donate to the event.
I know three guys who organised a charity fundraising trip involving them travelling to Africa and climbing Kilimanjaro. I have been told (but do not know for sure) that they deducted their "expenses" from the sponsor money so in effect bagged a free holiday. Now that's gotta be wrong.

[Koi]

If they are giving him a snorkel in exchange for advertising space and the charity gets nowt from this deal then its wrong.
By him saying that the charity still gains by him participating has sod all to do with this transaction.
If the rules state all donations/items to be auctioned off at the end of the event then he should either hand it in or make a cash donation to the charity of his own to compensate.

[Gamedawn]

If they are giving him a snorkel in exchange for advertising space and the charity gets nowt from this deal then its wrong.
By him saying that the charity still gains by him participating has sod all to do with this transaction.
If the rules state all donations/items to be auctioned off at the end of the event then he should either hand it in or make a cash donation to the charity of his own to compensate.

Couldn't have said it better. At the end of the day it depends whether the guy has a conscience or not.

[Vagrant No2]

I would like to point out that the snorkel is not required for the event as all roadworthy unmodified vehicles can be used .

[sumo]

I would like to point out that the snorkel is not required for the event as all roadworthy unmodified vehicles can be used .

If someone was to give me a snorkel I would think them very charitable,however I think the guy should donate at least the trade price of the gift.If he dont then he is just a tight git.

[ecosurf]

I'd be wary of infringing charity law with this. If a person, unconnected to the charity, is benefitting from a charitable event (as this person seems to be) they may be contravening regulations, and may cause the charity to pay additional tax or VAT on the event (i.e raising funds not for charity). Care should also be taken with regard to Macmillan, as their name could be dragged through the mud (so to speak).

There's a useful website from the UK Charity Commission, but may require some careful decoding.

On a personal note, I also think the snorkeller should donate the value of the snorkel to the charity. Seems the right thing to do. After all, the sponsorship money/goods should go directly to the charity. That's the whole point of charity events.

[sketty]

IMPARTUAL FEW DON'T NOW ANYONE HERE just reading all your reply's. who is going to pay the fuel bill a couple of hundred quid for 1000 miles plus before and after traveling tyre ware mini service before drive extra milage extra brake ware loss of wages maybe and time possible damage to vehicle maybe. NOT THE CHARITY. wy does'nt jotto speak to the person involved and ask him to put a reply on here before everyone starts calling him or her. i bet the person will be spending about £200 to £300 out of there own pocket before they have finished. at least he his getting of his arse and doing something for charity. i suppose everyone who has replied on here is as honest as the day they were born. i am not saying anyone should steel from a charity.
LOOK AT ALL THE CELEBRITIES THAT DO CHARITY WORK THEY GET THERE FREEBIES AND THEY TAKE THEM HOME. YOU DON'T SEE ANYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT DO YOU.

DON'T GET ME WRONG I AM NOT STICKING UP FOR THIS PERSON BUT I DO CHARITY WORK MYSELF AND NOBODY THINKS ABOUT THE MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE I LOSE OUT ON FOR DOING IT.

SO LETS HEAR THERE PART OF THE STORY FIRST BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS.

GOT LOADS MORE TO SAY ON THIS MATTER BUT IT WILL TAKE ALL NIGHT.

SORRY TO BE A SPOIL SPORT

[Vagrant No2]

Sketty,

Me and Jon are competting in this event for the 2nd yr . I wont tell you how much this cost me and Jon (mainly Jon) to compete last year .We pay for ALL the fuel , spares , food and accomadation during this event , it ain't cheap !

ALL donations from this site and from companies etc goes to the charity . Any 'gifts' go in the auction on the Sunday night for the charity .

[ecosurf]

who is going to pay the fuel bill a couple of hundred quid for 1000 miles plus before and after traveling tyre ware mini service before drive extra milage extra brake ware loss of wages maybe and time possible damage to vehicle maybe. NOT THE CHARITY.

As a regular volunteer at a local charity (every weekend for the last 4 or 5 years) I don't think that charity work allows you to justify for accepting personal donations (cash or otherwise) rather than the charity.

Some of my work involved driving from Oxford to Essex to S****horp to Leicester. I didn't get any fuel/servicing from the charity or anyone else, and I didn't expect it.

I volunteer to help the charity, not to get anything for myself.

If the person concerned would like to voice their own case, I'm sure everyone here would welcome their view and allow them to put forward their case.

[sketty]

I Understand All That Do Charity Work Myself.
And Thanks For Not Biting My Head Off