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  • #16
    Signed up- here's my diatribe:

    CLIMATE & ENVIRONMENT
    As a scientist I am sceptical about some of the widely accepted mechanisms behind climate change. I find that most people still fail to understand that there are MUCH LARGER FORCES at work than the small impact the activites of Man have on climate change. Ice ages and searing deserts- it's all happened before and will all happen again. Swaping over all 4x4's averaging 25mpg to some other 2x4 car which does 33mpg will have minimal effect. For comparison- the Sun's output energy can vary by Trillions of Watts on a day-to-day basis and even more long term. Now that REALLY CAN change our planet's temperature somewhat. We should not deliberately pollute our planet but we should also be realistic about how much difference having 2x4 or 4x4 transmission makes! Vehicles with 4x4 transmissons are no more (or less) polluting than any other large car- so why single them out?

    SAFETY & ACCIDENTS
    To be struck by any kind of vehicle is unsafe. My poor Gran had her wrist broken by a cyclist on the pavement. Should we ban bikes? Let's take this particular agument to it's LOGICAL CONCLUSION- we should all stay in bed because it's safer!
    Offroad vehicles (one's with proper chassis construction) are designed to be strong. It is MY CHOICE to drive MY FAMILLY in what I believe is a better car should it ever 'come to the crunch' (God forbid). Why would I want drive my familly around in something I regard as 'less safe'? Feel free to drive YOUR FAMILLY around in YOUR NCAP 5 'supermini' if YOU like- but I'll stick to MY car thanks.

    DO I REALLY NEED A 4x4?
    No- I would survive without one. But I would still need an equally large car to transport my familly, tow my boat & caravan (not at the same time). A 4x4 is useful to pull other helpless motorists out of the floods, ditches and the snow we get round here from time-to-time (must be the Global Warming....). I'm also a recreational 4x4 user and like to use unsurfaced country roads and designated offroad driving sites (assuming the Anti's don't ban these activities next of course).
    The huge load space is great for tranporting things: fridges, cement mixers, cement, sand, 1/2 tonne loads of logs, chainsaws, mowers, dogs, outboard engines, fence posts, rocks, slabs, scaffolding, gas bottles, 25 foot lengths of timber, pulling up tree stumps etc.(try and do all that with a Ford Focus!). Yes-I've also been seen shopping at Tesco in it and have even dropped the kids off at school- shock horror!

    CHOICE
    I don't dictate to other people what they should or should not drive. Neither should ill-informed people, with non-scientific arguments tell me what to do.
    My car (a Toyota Surf) is a part-time, selectable 4 wheel drive. Therefore, like many "4x4's", it is actually a 'two wheel drive' car when driven on roads anyway. Conversly many outwardly 'normal' looking saloon/estate cars are really full-time 4x4's. How can you legislate for that? Just what exactly are the anti 4x4 loby against?

    Nevillef

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    • #17
      The band waggon

      Thats me signed up and me 2 pence worth added.
      Rob & Miranda

      Surfing on the south coast

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      • #18
        Ditto

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        • #19
          Added my name and comments too.....

          Nige..................
          Nige...............

          Anything you can do.......i

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          • #20
            I am in too
            xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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            • #21
              And me....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by chunkymonkey
                And me....
                I've just paid my due's and signed up.

                Didnt our Parents fight in a war to stop a man with this attitude!


                Paul
                DUNNO'S BACK ..........He never really went away!

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                • #23
                  I have added myself to the petition.
                  Ian
                  One day my paranoia will go away!

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                  • #24
                    Signed........

                    Me also
                    Lifes for smileing at! when ya Surf's not broke!

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                    • #25
                      Done my bit.
                      Might be worth reminding your M.P about the 2005 election!
                      A positive attitude wont solve all your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort!

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                      • #26
                        I,m in too.
                        SURFS UP DUDE.

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                        • #27
                          I'll sign it as soon as ive got time to read it. Just picked up My first Surf so i'm a little too busy to be on here right now. Still wasting my first tank of Juice !!! It may go into the second me thinks !!! But I'll sign what ever it is that needs to sign !!!
                          !!! I'M THE ONE YOUR MOTHER WARNED YOU ABOUT !!!

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                          • #28
                            count me in..................
                            CHEERS JOHN................

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                            • #29
                              Petition

                              Just signed the petition.

                              We should all be aware that this sort of thing, if pushed hard enough by a vociferous minority, ( ie: the recent Liberal/Democrat call for a total ban on 'Chelsea Tractors') can be sneaked through Parliament if we do nothing.
                              The present government would, I'm sure, see a 4 x 4 as something else to be taxed unfairly if they see it can be done with little objection.
                              Nil Illigitimi Carborundum

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                              • #30
                                me and the other half have just signed up

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